Carry Ettiquette

Do the conceal permits of apostle and JCD have similar rules?!?
#4 is basiccaly similair to don't drink & drive or dont drive or operate machinery when using this medication...

#1 - It depends what state you're in. If I carry in Alabama, I have to follow Alabama law. In Tennessee, where my permit is issued, I could legally carry openly. I don't though, and no one I know does. It would... get you checked by cops. A lot. The purpose of a permit isn't to draw attention to yourself.

#2 - Yeah, but replace Alabama with Tennessee.

#3 - I believe it's only if you're convicted of a felony, but I'm not planning on doing anything that would get me arrested, let alone actually get arrested. I suppose if I were arrested, I would consult with my attorney.

#4 - TN is thinking of changing its law to only restrict carry when you drink, so as to not punish folks like me who don't drink when we patronize bar/grill type places.

#5 - Currently, that is what our law is basically like. It will probably change, but most likely it will always be banned in Federal courthouses....

Although I've heard the department of the interior may relax rules on carrying in parks, etc, due to rising violence there.

Speaking of paranoia, I just went to put the mail out and noticed wet bootprints on my front porch. I'm taking a day off, so nobody would normally be home at this time. Can't hlep bu wonder what someone was doing on my front porch.

I'm stuffing my SP-101 in my back pocket for the day just for the hell of it.

It's a little different in Tennessee. For one, our CCW's do allow us to open carry. Also, with regards to #4, it's kind of nebulous here. Last I checked, it was simply "You can't carry in a place that sells alcohol for consumption." But when I was taking my permit class, the instructor said that that law had been changed to, "You can't carry in a place that sells greater than an X/Y ratio of alcohol for consumption to food."...or something along those lines. I haven't seen anything to back the latter interperatation up, so I just go by the former.

Huh? The phrasing I'm familiar with prohibits carry in establishments that serve "liquor by the drink."

In other words, you CAN carry in gas stations, grocery stores, etc.

But i take it the while you are drinking or using any (illegal) drug. part is either on the permit or maybe a law in Tennessee?
Probably in some way or form in all the USA i guess...

That's what I meant by "...for consumption". As in for consumption on their property.

Yeah, that's the same in Tennessee. Just like drinking and driving.

Actually, it's perfectly legal to carry a gun while you're using illegal drugs. What happens if you get caught is that they just take the drugs, but leave you with your gun.

At least until you're convicted of felony possession, and then buh-bye firearm AND Carry permit.

Nah, pretty sure none of that would happen. In fact, they ENCOURAGE illegal drugs and guns in America.

What's extreme about it? I don't go looking for a fight, but I acknowledge the fact that a fight might come looking for me and I intend to be prepared for it if it should.

It's no different than owning a fire extinguisher and smoke detector in your home. The chances are your house won't burn to the ground, but there's always a chance it will and you'll want to have the tools available to keep your family alive.

When it comes to making sure I'm not going home in a body bag, you're goddamned right I'll do what I please and I don't care who's panties get in a bunch.

Let's be completely honest here: my life means more to me than your property. Your life means more to you than my property and if you say differently, you're either a fool or a liar. I'll do what I have to to make sure that I'm capable of leaving any store or public place alive and the only places that I don't do that are places that actively search my person, regardless of their corporate policy. It's not up to me to secure someone else's property or to defend their rights as a property owner. I'll leave if asked, but I'll ignore any sign telling me they want me disarmed.

My life > your property.

As the landowner, I'm ultimately responsible for actually defending my property. If I really don't want some jackhole driving over my property, I'll take the appropriate measures. If some mall really doesn't want me to carry a gun they can do more than put a sticker on the door and hire a rent-a-cop.

Considering you were told not to bring a firearm into the mall, should security be allowed to shoot you for trespassing on their private property? I mean you are committing a crime while armed. I don't see how'd they be in the wrong there.





But I really don't understand why you just don't respect the property owners wishes. You make the false argument that your protection comes before their property rights but who is forcing you on their property?!?! It's not a protection vs property rights argument, it's a "I wanna go where ever I damn well please and do whatever I damn well please" argument, which is quite childish IMO.

No the mall guards can't shoot me, but they can call the cops who can give me a trespass warning.

I'm less concerned with doing what I want when I want than I am with saving my own hide, and if that means I have to ignore Home Depot's corporate policy on guns so that I can buy the stuff I need, then so be it.

Why not? Could you not shoot armed criminals on your property?

You telling me there are no hardware stores in America that allow you to carry?!?!? Or you can't buy what you need over the internet?!?!

Not unless they are an active threat.

You telling me there are no hardware stores in America that allow you to carry?!?!? Or you can't buy what you need over the internet?!?! [/quote][/quote]

Let's be realistic, there may be a gun friendly hardware store somewhere, but I can't afford the time or money to drive outside of my area just to prove a point.

And no, buying over the internet doesn't allow me to actually lay eyes or hands on the product before buying it. A picture doesn't always do the item justice.

It has so far and it certainly did when I ran to this mall this afternoon.

Trespass WARNING? It's more likely that you'll be arrested for full criminal trespass.

So JCD, exactly how many life-or-death, "whackjob with a gun" situations have you been in in your life? Do you go out of your way to hang out in crime-infested areas? Do you regularly taunt gang members? Have you pissed off the Mob?

Personally, I'd say the odds of you ending up in a situation like Va Tech, Columbine, or whenever the hell the latest mall shooting was are miniscule compared to many other things the could end your life.

Ever drink drunk or otherwise impaired? Ever smoke tobacco regularly? Are you addicted to soda, coffee, desserts? Are you significantly overweight? Do you ever drive while distracted? Ever have unprotected sex? The list goes on and on....

Your paranoia allows you to rationalize your actions to yourself, but I seriously doubt you're going to convince anyone else here that you are justified in what you are doing.

How is a criminal with a gun not an active threat?!?!

Ah, so now we finally get to the point. So it's not a personal protection vs property rights question. It's a personal convenience vs. property rights question.

I guess we all see which one you put first. This thread needs to be saved for future usage.

I'm starting to wonder if JCD has a permit, or if he carries without one.

Which is it?

Well, given that it's probably inconvenient for him to go through all the hassle of getting a carry permit, I'm guessing "Not".

I'm thinking you were when you typed that!

A criminal with a gun is a POTENTIAL threat.
A criminal with his gun pointing at you is an ACTIVE threat.

You're justified in shooting a criminal who's pointing a gun at you to save your own life. If you shoot a guy 'casue you see a gun in his waistband, whatever his intent may be, you're going down for murder one.

Unless that joker is in your house. In TN, if they're in your house, you can nail them without exception, in the back or in the front.