Confederacy Loses....Again

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  1. Steal Your Face

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    Robert E. Lee.
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  2. Ten Lubak

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    It's fine to learn about it in a historical context but as far as taking the effort to build monuments to traitors and losers of a war, do you not understand how strange that is?
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  3. Steal Your Face

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    It’s not a memorial to the confederacy, it was built to memorialize the soldiers that died and were buried there. It was built as show of reconciliation. The left wants to erase history so they rewrite it. That’s what this is about.
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    You guys have literal statues of traitors who led their men to defeat though. That's so weird
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  5. Steal Your Face

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    The civil war was literally brother against brother, neighbor against neighbor, it wasn't like going over seas to fight the Nazis or fighting an invading army like the British. Yes they are and were considered to be traitors, and some people wanted severe punishments, but some just wanted to move on and heal the country. There's even videos of veterans from both sides that are talking and shaking hands. Now they want to tear down memorials of the dead. Remember this is the same President who said he wanted to be a unite the country not divide it.
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  7. Spaceturkey

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    was it though?
    That "brother vs brother" thing only carries weight in border states and maybe a few of the first gen officer corps
    It's kinda biblical sounding, I guess. Adds to the romantic mythos...
    Otherwise, it seems that the dirt farmers from Wisconsin wouldn't commonly have many connections to dirt farmers from Georgia when they met up someplace like Vicksburg.
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  8. Steal Your Face

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    There's a Custar memorial, what a loser, tear it down! There's also memorials to native Americans who lost in battles and massacres, tear em' down!
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  9. Steal Your Face

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    No I'm talking about families where literal brothers fought on different sides of the war. Some fought to preserve the union and some fought to defend their homes. Individuals didn't fight to abolish or preserve slavery, this is a myth.
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  10. Spaceturkey

    Spaceturkey i can see my house

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    so am i.
    the point is that that was a comparatively unique circumstance, not applicable to the majority of soldiers on either side who were less connected than me and you. It's bullshit romanticism.

    why the deflection about slavery as an individual motive (rather than a cassias belli)? It has nothing to do with this tangent.
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    Not for the first time, but you've got some serious reading comprehension problems. Nowhere in that article does it say anything about the monument honoring/commemorating British soldiers. It was put up to mark the 100th anniversary of the US victory in the battle.
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    Haven't you heard about participation trophies? We give them out to the pissbabies who won't stop crying about losing so they calm down. Or at least that is what I am told by the people who like to memorialize the confederacy.
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  13. Steal Your Face

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    I got you're reading comprehension right here.:finger:

    Meanwhile in Concord, Mass. of all places...
    Tear it down!
    https://www.nps.gov/places/grave-of-british-soldiers-at-the-north-bridge.htm
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    Yes, because deciding to stop lionizing the defenders of slavery is just like 1984.

    Did you whine like this when they tore down the statue of Saddam Hussein in Firdos Square?
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    We haven't made it to 1984 just yet, but if the Democrats have their way, we'll be there in due time.
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    Gonna ignore my question, huh?
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    Okay, now why was it turned into a military cemetery?
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    Because both confederate and Union soldiers had died there. It’s hallowed ground. In 1958 congress considered all soldiers who died, regardless of side US veterans. That law hasn’t changed.
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    But they could have been buried anywhere. Why do you suppose they picked that spot, not only to bury people who died in the Civil War, but also, literally every other war we've fought in before and since?
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    nope.. no BS romanticism there.
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    It doesn’t matter why they picked that spot, what’s done is done.
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    You just want any excuse to desecrate graves.
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    Which graves are being desecrated?

    They're removing statues and plaques, not digging up bodies.
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    Yet.
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    Don't you have a Trump PAC to contribute to?
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    It is absolutely a memorial to the Confederacy, literally saying in Latin that their cause was just but the gods betrayed them.

    And we'll keep telling the truth as long as you guys keep lying. The fact this nonsense exists is why it is still at issue.

    Removing the Lost Cause memorial does not alter the fact that Confederate dead are buried in Arlington Cemetery.

    Stop lying. Fucking Southern 'honor.' Is and always has been bullshit.
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  28. Spaceturkey

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    based on what?
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    Based on this desire to tear down monuments and erasing history.
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    Tearing down monuments doesn't erase history. Tearing down monuments to slavers and their slaver rebellion actually serves to correct a distorted view of history.
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