Fla. deputy suspended over rough arrest

The police wouldn't have been a problem, if they hadn't let it get out that they were related to Mewa.

It's my experience with the police that helped me form my opinion about them. I've seen them be openly racist. In fact Ash has a pretty good story about that if he feels like sharing it. I've seen them pick on people who didn't deserve it. I've seen them just plain be dicks to people for no reason more often than not. I know the guys that became cops after high school from my class, I know the guys in my Army unit that are cops as their civilian jobs, I know cops. I don't like them. I don't trust them. I feel sorry for those of you too blind to see it. I really hope the undeserved trust you give them doesn't wind up biting you in the ass one day.

My problem with police only tends to be with lower level street cops. I have a good deal of respect for most detectives and more seasoned cops. I think the bad cops tend to get weeded out over the years, but unfortuneatly we have to deal with all the scum in the mean time.

Sorry, Tex - I've never had anything but good elations with any and all police officers I've had to work with - street cops and othewise. In fact, I've had more street cops treat me respectfully. Perhaps because I treat them respectfully as well.

I'm always polite too, in fact a cop from The Woodlands, TX, once commented on how polite I was.

Then he handed me a ticket and told me that I could mail my check to the address on the back.

Texas cops aren't lenient when it comes to Oklahomans who solicit male prostitutes, Flow.

Even on "Ash Wednesday"?

My experience has been that cops who work traffic are overwhelmingly jerks to deal with. Patrol officers, for the most part, are professional.

Over the years I've only run into a handful of the latter who were assholes. I've only run into a handful of the former who weren't.

Why are you apologizing to me? I'm glad you've had good experiences with the police. I'm always polite with the cops. I still don't like them, and I still don't trust them. You aren't going to change my mind.

Ash Wednesday is a College Station tradition, not The Woodlands.

That's not what my commemorative T-shirt says.

Must be one of the counterfeits that Jeriko got tossed in jail for.

I always treat cops with the greatest respect. The reason I do this is because most cops are incapable of exercising higher restraint and will become vindictive and hostile the first time you roll your eyes. I treat cops with respect because they have a great deal of power to do me harm, not because they have power to help me. In fact, in my entire life, I have never been helped by a police officer. I HAVE been harassed, accused of crimes I did not commit, insulted, and ignored when I did need their help. I steer well clear of them at all times.

Must be the kind of deputy who orders a liter of cola at Sonic.

Note to Albert: since cops in theory work for us and not vice versa, they should not manhandle us unnecessarily or they should be fired by us.

He attacked his employer and thereby should be put on the unemployment line. That's the rule in Albertopia, no?

As for Listy - good thing you ain't a cop. Cops have to have common sense and don't ALWAYS enforce the laws blindly. You'd be like the deputy I used to work with who kept shooting at things he shouldn't - the office TV, the NLETS terminal, things like that. Fellow ended up working the jail with an unloaded firearm with a single bullet kept in his shirt pocket. Our sheriff had a sense of humor.

Robert Heinlein once said one sign of a demise of a society was when the police were feared as much as the criminals. I tend to agree with that. There's way too many cops out there who think because they have a badge and a gun they're gods and not public servants.

If she hadn't escalated a simple ticket into a felony, she wouldn't have had a problem, would she? That seems to be the part you're missing.

I mean, that's what common sense would say.

Random thoughts on this thread:

1) I have had good experiences with a majority of cops in every country. "A majority" however, does not mean "all." There are some bad apples among cops. Claiming that all cops are trustworthy is stupid.

2) For the same reason, claiming that no cops are trustworthy is equally stupid.

3) Pretending that because the woman was guilty the cop was right to act that way, is stupid. By the same token, accusing posters who point out the cop's bad behavior of saying the woman should "get off" is stupid.

4) Pretending that because the cop was wrong, the woman had a right to drive the way she did, or drive off the way she did, is stupid. By the same token, accusing posters who point out the woman's wrong actions of saying the cop was justified in acting the way he did is stupid.

Conclusion: There are a lot of stupid posters in this thread. Not all of them, but more than one of them.

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Yeah because the woman who's father is very likely on his deathbed is certainly going to be the clearest thinker on the planet.

This makes no sense. I don't normally place a great deal of trust in complete strangers. That is even more true when said strangers have a great deal of power to harm me with. Why would anyone in their right mind blindly trust the police? What could that possibly gain you?

All the more reason for him NOT to allow her to drive.

And the minute that the woman said her father was dying, the cop should have escorted her to his car and driven her to the hospital. Once he saw she was telling the truth, he could have let her stay until the man breathed his last, then escorted her to his car and to the precinct.

He did his duty to both the woman, the dying father and the public at large.

63 in a 35 zone, emotionally distraught, and drives off in the middle of the traffic stop?

I'm not able to muster much sympathy. The cop may very well have saved lives by stopping her to begin with.

Is the cop supposed to enforce the law or is he supposed to give you a pass if you think you had a really good reason for breaking it?

I haven't seen the video, but I'd have to see treatment inconsistent with someone fleeing arrest to convince me the suspension was anything other than bullshit PC public relations.

How did the cop know that was the truth? (Incidentally, the father was released from the hospital a few days later, according to the article, so, technically, that he was "dying" was not the truth.)

And since when do cops help people run errands in the middle of an arrest?

Since when do cops NOT LISTEN.
If she had been driving herself to the hospital because she thought she was dying, and he had behaved that way, and it had led to her death, the same folks claiming this cop shouldn't do anything would be demanding his badge and his head because he didn't listen to her.

I don't know what made the woman think her father was dying - perhaps it was a phone call from the hospital. And yes, the patient can be looking on death's door and make a remarkable, nearly miraculous recovery.

Do you suppose anyone ever lies to a cop?

She does not have the right to break the law just because her own personal circumstances are compelling. She certainly does not have the right to drive away during a traffic stop. For all she knew, the cop could have been trying to verify her story.

She was probably an emotional mess and was expressing her own fears rather than the facts. In any event, dying father or no, one simply cannot drive 63 in a 35 zone and expect to remain free of law enforcement entanglements. The cop would be shirking his duty to the public if he did not act to correct that dangerous situation immediately.

Had the woman driven to the hospital in a safe, orderly fashion, she would actually have made it. Had she complied with the officer at the stop, she would have made it, albeit a few minutes later. She chose to disregard the law in two separate incidences.

Again, I haven't seen the tape but--from the officer's point of view--she's an emotionally distraught woman speeding rather recklessly who flees from a traffic stop. If he violated police rules when he arrested her, then, fine, he should be punished. That IN NO WAY vindicates her.

Paldin, we have not said that the cop should not have stopped her, or should not have ticketed her. What we are suggesting is that the cop had other ways that handle the situation including taking her to the hospital and then ticketing her.
It's called finding ways to diffuse the situation.

Since when are the police a taxi service? Again, unless HER health is at risk, any excuse she gives is NOTHING MORE THAN THAT, an excuse.

Since when is being a caring human being a problem?
Oh, wait, I'm talking to a WFer who is a)not human or b) not caring about anyone but their own self.

People do not lie to cops.

They know that would be wrong.

They know that cops are there to help them, and that if they have been doing something illegal, it is better for society and, in the long run, better for them, if they are caught and stopped and even punished so that they and others will not do bad things like that in the future.

They also know that all laws are good laws, and that if something is illegal, it is illegal for a good reason. They also know that when laws change, it is because the universe has just undergone one of the "moral flip-flops" to which it is prone, where right becomes wrong and vice-versa, and the laws simply needed to be adapted to the new situation. No one would ever think that a change in a law meant that the previous law was bad. It would be absolutely unthinkable to imagine that a law had been put in place that was bad. That would mean our society is not always acting in terms of what is best for everyone.

Since people know that all laws are good, and that obeying all laws is a good thing, and that cops are always acting for their good in enforcing only that which is actually law, and doing so justly, people do not lie to cops.

Ever.

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Never lie. Never lie!