Help meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Would you carry it tucked in your cleavage?

My first thought was to suggest a stainless P220, but for some reason I thought you already had one.

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This thread got good .

I don't have a P220 Elite Stainless.

You need to get a Ruger Mk II with a suppressor barrel.

It is my policy not to comment on any Class III weapons I may, or may not, own.

I cannot confirm or deny the presence of nuclear warheads in my living room.

Just as long as you invite me to play Cowboys and Indians.

"Nice place you have here. Where'd you find a demilled Cold War era nuclear artillery round to convert into a lamp?"

"Demilled?"

Over the past week, I've been pushing hard for some changes to our firearms polices at work. Unfortunately, the Chief and one of the two Captains are not what I'd call "gun people."

Even after the agency had started requiring new officers to carry semi-autos, the Chief (back in his patrol days) carried a .38 simply because that's what he'd always carried (let's not even talk about the time he carried it unloaded at work for two whole weeks once) and the one Captain I have to convince doesn't even carry. He leaves his Smith Model 36 in his desk drawer.

I've got most of the changes I wanted, but I haven't dropped the bomb yet.

Technically, we're allowed to carry single action pistols (1911's or Hi-Powers) so long as they're chamber empty and hammer down. That may have been Uncle Sam's policy for decades, but...it's stupid. In that instance, I don't have a gun. I have a piss poor club. But, our Chief doesn't want to budge from that stance because he's scared it'll "scare the public" to see police officers walking around with their guns cocked (nevermind that they're locked). Remember, he's not a gun person.

However, 11 out of the 12 closest agencies to us by jurisdiction allow their officers to carry cocked and locked single actions. I have worked to secure figures from the FBI and those agencies. I have signed letters from all of their firearms instructors and I have a petition from our officers.

Of those 11 agencies, there were some surprising stats.

I broke it down by gun model, I will not do so here for the sake of brevity.

Number of negligent discharges while on duty over the past 20 years: 16
Number of accidental discharges while on duty over the past 20 years: 1
Number of negligent or accidental discharges while on duty over the last 20 years involving any authorized single action weapon: 0

Number of documented citizen complaints/questions/comments/concerns over the last 20 years involving an officer carrying his weapon with the hammer cocked: 0

I broke this down by agency, but will aggregate it here for the sake of brevity.

Average annual qualification scores last year (requires a 70 to pass):

Average with a 1911: 86 out of a possible 100 points.
All other weapons averaged: 77 out of a possible 100 points.

I then asked one last question. What sidearms do your SWAT teams carry?

1911's: 4
Glocks (various models): 6
Sig (various models): 2

And, last, and probably least because it's more of an emotional plea:

We are required to be armed at all times. So, I included figures about what our officers carry off-duty. Most carry their issued Glock 22 because that's the only handgun they own.

However, 20%+ of our officers carry 1911's cocked and locked concealed when off-duty and this is a potential disaster waiting to happen.

After an off-duty shooting, a good prosecutor could say, "Officer, you were carrying your weapon already cocked, in direct violation of department policy. You were hoping to get to use it, weren't you?"

Ruh-roh. The award the "victim's" family is seeking in the wrongful death suit just doubled and the agency's liability just went to zero. You're on your own, left out to dry.

I'm asking that this be rectified and that the policy be re-written to allow carry cocked and locked.

In conclusion, I've wrapped all of this up in a nice report. I'm including all of the letters from the various firearms instructors. They ranged from nothing more than saying that my facts are correct to whole heartedly endorsing 1911's for individual officer carry. I'll also be including the petition from our officers (roughly 1/3rd of the total manpower) asking for permission to carry 1911's and Hi-Powers cocked and locked.

It'll be on his desk tomorrow morning. Here's hoping.

I think this deserves it's own thread, Elwood.

Please break it down by gun model....pretty please?

I promise not to say, "I told you so."

Would hammer-blocking thumb-break straps on the holsters make him happy? though you can still see the gun's cocked, anybody can see it's blocked by the strap.

I think I told this here once - we used to have an armed check-cashing service here at work. The personell carried their personal handguns, and everybody had soemthing different.

The worst I saw was a guy with a .357 in a classic vertical Dirty-Harry rig, but with the belt strap unsecured so the whole holster flopped around off his shoulder when he bent over to count out your money (I wouldn't even have had to pull the gun out of his holster to shoot him with it!).

My favorite was a guy with a satin-nickle 1911 in an IPSC competition holster, cocked and locked. Sure the gun was unsecured, but he looked like he could do the El Presidente faster than you could reach for it. One of my coworkers freaked out (after he got his money). "Did you see that?! Did you see that guy? his gun was cocked!!" I said, "And the safety was on, and would YOU try to take it away from him?"

Gave my friend pause to think.

You could comission a firearm of your own design.

No, you pencil-pushing douchebag. I was carrying it the way it was designed to be carried by God's own weapon designer John Moses Browning, Hallowed Be His name. It's designed to be carried with one in the chamber and hammer back. Of course if you lower the hammer manually, which is what the manual recommends you NEVER do, you risk an accidental discharge. But hey, just because the book says don't do it, and the people that build the gun say don't do it, why should that stop me when some beauracrat that doesnt know a bullet from a butthole thinks differently? And of course I could simply carry my handgun without a round in the chamber and rack it when I need to shoot because it isn't like seconds count in a gunfight or anything, right?

I thought you carried a 10mm?

A Dan Wesson RZ-10 Razorback 1911 in 10mm. It's the best of all worlds.

JMB never designed no 10mm gun.

True, but technology finally caught up with the genius of John Moses Browning, May He Bless Your Shooting. Now the 1911 can truly live up to its potential as an unstoppable killing machine, the way god and Hs Avenging Weapons Designer, John Moses Browning intended it to be.

I think JCD is the reason the term 'gun nuts' was invented.

I've got one: Pay a gunsmith to help you design and implement an over-under double barrel magnum revolver. You'd only get three shots per six rounds, but I would think one shot would be enough to make anything falter. I'm including rhinos in my thought process. I have a design idea, but no scanner and I can't really do it justice in paint.

Another alternative is a side-by-side double barrel revolver with two chambers. (could be using incorrect terms here) You could also make the world's first working gunblade.

Is anyone seeing the pattern yet?

Double bonus if you get all three refs.

If you can't see that the way you get whipped up into a ferver about James Moses Browning is a bit more than a little nuts then there is no help for you. To be honest it is actually pretty fuckin' weird and I don't mind saying a bit creepy.

Get a sense of humor.

I have a great one, but the way I picture you saying it isn't funny no matter how you slice it. It is similar to how you wouldn't laugh at a religious person who actually believed if you were an atheist. Kind of like your West-By God-Virginia. Joking is farthest from what you seem to be doing.

That's nice.

This is the weapon of a gun nut. Not as clumsy or random as a autoloader; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.

I don't think the weapon makes the person a gun nut. It is the attitude.