His name was Gturner

Because the subsequent admins don't want him back, that's why.

Why? Did he shit in your cornflakes?

Does it matter? It's our board, not yours.

It's responses like that which make the repeated claims of the admin staff being all for transparency obvious bullshit lip service.

What I classed as bigotry against Muslims was your attempt to ignore religious interpretation and equate Islamists with every other Muslim. You need to accept and understand that among every religion there are people who interpret things differently. You are welcome to criticise the idea of religion until the cows come home. @Diacanu does it but he’s not regarded as a racist or bigot. There must be a message in that alone, surely? Same for people who are of certain ethnicities or people with problems like addicts.

In short I am asking you to consider that a broad brush approach to any demographic is where the problem lies with your approach. Thing is, I think you know this because once upon a time you said exactly what I am saying.

So really it boils down to not stereotyping groups of people. If you can do that we are at peace. Deal?

Crimea river, Garameptain X. Your boyfriend isn't coming back.

So, go start your own little BBS, take Dinner and the rest of the bigoted/racist morons with you...
Be your own admin so you can talk shit about anybody!

So now we've switched from "we're totally honest and transparent you guys" to "go make your own forum!"

It's not that, it's just that we doesn't give a fuck about you.

Chup, I have always said some muslims are "good", some muslims are "bad, that the basic tenants of the ideology is irrevocably tainted and unreformable due to supposed commands by god to kill certain groups based upon their personal beliefs. The problem has always been, as I have said times beyond count but which you continue to lie about, that no one has ever come up with a reliable way to tell the supposed good ones from the supposed bad ones (I.E. those which do not fully follow the dictates written in the evil Koran and those who do fully follow the commands in the evil Koran).

You can keep lying, dodging, and making stuff up, hell, you can even keep sitting in a private forum echo chamber were you all shit talk and jerk each other off, but my position has never changed, is nothing like you have claimed, and the only way to explain your complete slander about my position is that you do so knowingly and willfully lying. Yes, people do not like people who lie, Chup, so it would be helpful if you would stop lying.

I have made what I consider a fair offer, I will stop the hyperbole if you will do so. Either you can live with that or you can keep doing what you've been known for for years, man.

You're a dishonest dipshit - we got that.

No you haven't.

You're a crybaby pussy. We got that.

Tell us again how you totally open and honest you are?

If I were in your shoes I wouldn’t allege lies without saying with they are.

Anyhow, what I posted above was perfectly reasonable. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. We’ll see if you can keep aside the stereotyping and hyperbole. The minute you start degrading whole demographics again you’ll have gone back on your offer.

You have been judged by the majority of people here to be a bigot, and worst still a racist. Time to prove you aren’t. We all know deep down you aren’t...at last you never used to be.

That is acceptable as long as you don't claim reasonable criticism of an ideology is some how "racism" (beliefa aren't a race, dude, so they cannot be racist especially if held by a multiracial demographic) or if you claim any criticism is some how unreasonable (as you have done in the past). If we can agree on definitions or that an "offense" can't be borderline or in the margin of error but outright (with in a reasonable definition) then that would be ok.

What I don't want to do is play a game where you claim any frank discussion is some how a violation even when it is not. So... If we are both reasonable and you don't try to play a dishonest lawyer ball game then I see no problems. Some sort of dispute resolution mechanism would seem advisable though to prevent unfair or dishonest claims by either party.

BTW, no, what you said above was not reasonable and was outright slander and lies. That was definitely the hyperbole we previously spoke about and that would be an example of the type of lies you would have to stop telling.

I am willing to make a reasonable effort here to satify your extreme sensitivities (even if I believe you are not being honest about any of it; as is your track record) but you will have to do the same. What is good for the goose is good for the gander.

Ultimately, I am not prevebting you from posting, you are, as you have done many, many, many times before because... Well, can we all admit you like drama? Either way, I will refrain from the more extreme hyperbole, as I have said, but whither you post or not is up to you as it always has been. Please own that and stop trying to claim otger people are responsible for your actions.

This is so sad. I have already said I have no problem with you criticising religion. I am anti religion myself.

You say reasonable criticism. You say “not all Muslims”. That’s what I say. That’s what @Diacanu says. So why are you regarded as a bigot and we not?

You’re already trying to push me away with you dumb reps. Why? Nothing I am saying is unreasonable and is, according to you, is the same as what you think.

Either you’re pretending not to be a racist and really are or you just can’t let go of grudges. Whatever it is, why are you fighting against a chance to rid yourself of the racist label?

In other words you’re now backtracking.

If you assert lies, state them.

If he abandons racism, the liberal pod people will get him!!

This I actually consider to be a good part of the post. I honestly believe it is because a number, a large number, of the people here post at Ten Luback's Speakeasy at Cybertavern where they have an echo chamber and talk all the shit they want withput ever hearing a nonecho chamber word. It is very easy to villify someone who is not allowed to talk back. But it is very effective no matter which topic or group we are discussing.

That is why I am just not that interested in nonrepresentative samples.

I am not backtracking, I have said I will refrain from extreme hyperbole if you also do so. Is that clear enough?

The decision to post or not post remains yours and no one is responsible for that but you. I, honestly, do not trust you due to past experience with you, that you will not claim something is some how a violation when it clearly is not. Call that past experience. I have said what I will do and said I would like to see from you, I do wonder if you can contain yourself or if you will go back to your decade plus pattern. We shall see.

I'm not an admin or mod here...
So you could not be more wrong even if you tried...
But than again, you aren't exactly the sharpest crayon in the box, are ya?!?

He's openly telling you that he honestly does not give a shit what you think. He doesn't like you. That's not about transparency, that's about his belief that you are an awful poster. There is a clear difference.

The others said that. I didn't. Perhaps you'd be happier at Volpones board?

I couldn't give a shit less what Garameptain X, Meme Cockfag thinks of me, or my posting style.

Exactly. All I can figure, and I've touched on this notion before with other posters, is that he thinks being open and honest means telling him what he wants to hear. The people screaming about transparency and openness don't seem to realize that the Admins are far more open than they need to be, and share just about everything with the community. Admins stepping down out of a sense of fairness and loyalty, sharing Shelter threads, explaining the thought processes behind decisions, you honestly cannot get more transparent and honest than that, not with a message board, but there are always going to be people who demand to know more because they feel that they deserve to know, as far as they're concerned, even if all they do is bitch and moan all day. It's almost like they want to leverage the fact that they post here in order to gain some kind of special status. It's "the customer is always right" modified for message boards, even when the customer is a shitheel trying to fuck over everyone else.

BTW, this thread’s title may be the gayest thing ever posted on this board.

It’s a lot of fun actually.

Well, Poodle is the OP........