His name was Hunter Biden

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  1. Raoul the Red Shirt

    Raoul the Red Shirt Professional bullseye

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    Not sure what that has to do with anything, But it looks like shootER has answered that question.

    Now maybe you can answer mine and WAB's?
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  2. We Are Borg

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    Thank you for the answer.

    You and I clearly have a different take on what happened on January 6th. You might also want to ask Vice President Pence, several members of Congress, and the Secret Service whether they feel there was any actual danger.
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  3. shootER

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    Not at all, child.

    You bringing up the mistaken release sounds like you want the charges thrown out, which is totally tracks for you.
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  4. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    They were, and they did. They couldn't get the guns through the metal detectors, or "the mags" as SS and Trump were calling them.
    Trump wanted "the mags" taken down for the guns to get through.
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  5. Steal Your Face

    Steal Your Face Anti-Federalist

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    No. The leaked release seems to me like they had a forgone conclusion before the grand Jury had even convened. Meaning it’s more like a kangaroo court or for the Star Trek fans here, it’s more like A Cardasian court.
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    https://apnews.com/article/capitol-...and-politics-6ac80882e8cf61af36be6c46252ac24c

    Mmmmm hmmm
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  7. matthunter

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    And the South was never gonna win the Civil War.

    Doesn't mean they weren't traitors just because they were hopeless fucking losers.

    Just like you aren't a horrific cunt just because you're also pathetic.
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  9. Tererune

    Tererune Troll princess and Magical Girl

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    Lookl at who is talking about a sweetheart deal when he should be in prison for his multiple DWIs and domestic assault. Cheating on taxes is not going to kill anyone, and it is the right that says every person should be able to own a gun no matter what so it isn't like he was assaulting and potentially running people down while drunk behind the wheel because he is a teenage alcoholic.
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    Remember, folks, if somebody stops you from doing something bad, then nobody is allowed to criticize you for attempting it.
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  11. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    I'm firmly convinced that Officer Eugene Goodman stopped a civil war.

    Because if the rioters actually got into the room with Congress it was clear there was going to be violence.

    And that was the thing Trump was waiting for to order in the DC National Guard and declare martial law.

    There were numerous scenarios for Trump staying in office if he could contest the certification. He was actively trying to get Republican legislatures to throw out the electoral ballots and certify the fake ones, and if he managed to make that at issue he could have kicked it over to the states.

    But the majority of the American people would not stand for that, and Trump's attorneys had already stated they would have used the military against civilians then with the Insurrection Act.

    It came damn close to working.
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  12. Tuckerfan

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    You don't even need to have someone killed in Congress to pull it off. If the mob had managed to capture any politician (regardless of party), they would have, at the very least, threatened to harm that member of Congress, until Trump invoked the Insurrection Act.
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    A "sweetheart deal" that was met by many former prosecutors saying, "If he wasn't Biden's kid, he wouldn't be charged for this, because almost nobody gets charged for this." and "One of the laws he was charged under was so obscure, I'd never heard of it and had to go look it up."? That sweetheart deal?

    You should note who tweeted that out: My senator, Marsha Blackburn, who was my rep before she was my senator. Before she went into politics, she was a "Lifestyle" consultant, who got her college degree in like fucking home ec. She's one of the dumbest fucking people to be in Congress, and if she were to post here, she'd be the dumbest person here.
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  14. Tererune

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    Let us also remember that if the courts give you a great deal when you were driving wasted and beating up your girlfriend, they must not ever give any of your opponents the same consideration when they do much lesser crimes. Sweatheart deals are only for republicans like FF and the Trump family, and never for Joe Biden's son.

    It would also be lovely if @Steal Your Face recognized Hunter Biden was not convicted bty a court of law yet so innocent until proven guilty just like he said for Trump and his people despite the mountains of evidence we have seen and not seen against them.

    This is not a court of law and just like we can say Hunter was about to plead guilty and has a lot of evidence against him therefor he is guilty, that Trump has mountains of evidence and some of his people have flipped to admitting to their crimes involving him, therefor he is guilty. He is not innocent because a court of law cannot convict him.
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    Considering who you are talking to that is saying a lot.
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  16. Tuckerfan

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    Dude, you have no idea. I'm on her mailing list. Even Republicans in this state make the same noises as Sideshow Bob does when he massages Aunt Selma's feet, when they talk about her.
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    I am not sure she gets into the top 10 dumbest people in congress. You have MTG, Bobert, Ghomert, Cruz, Jordan, Feinstein (recently because her brain is mush), Greham, and Gaetz off the top of my head. There is a lot of stupid in congress.

    As for here you have UA and FF. I do not think she could really compete on their scale.
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  18. Tererune

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    Still, your judge of character and intelligence is suspect. You do voluntarily support twitter after the full on elon nazi support, and you think Biden is a liberal hero.
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  19. Steal Your Face

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    No I'm talking about the sweethart deal that would have given Hunter Biden blanket immunity from any future charges and the judge saw that and said no way, come back with something else. That sweetheart deal.
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  20. Tuckerfan

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    So close. First of all, it didn't offer "blanket immunity from any future charges," it offered immunity on future charges related to the ones that he'd agreed to plead (or change his plea to) "Guilty" to, specifically, those involving the guns. Things that he'd probably not be normally charged with, anyway, since he doesn't have a history of things like domestic violence. And it was all one deal.

    How's that compare with the one your mom worked out with her friend the judge, when you got in trouble as a kid?

    :corn:

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  21. Diacanu

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    Is that how Jimmy Dore tells the story?
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    I'm still unclear on how it could have been a "sweetheart deal" when most independent observers seem to agree that, if he weren't the president's son, many of the initial charges wouldn't have been brought in the first place.

    Caesar's wife must be above reproach, but let's not pretend there's a double standard working for Hunter Biden when all the actual evidence points to a double standard working against him.
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  23. Raoul the Red Shirt

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    Probably not the only sweetheart deal FF's mom gave or received, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!

    Sorry, could not resist low-hanging fruit and I would have said it about anyone.
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    One of the (sane) RW podcasts I listen to (Dispatch maybe) said it this way:

    It’s a double standard in two ways. First, almost no one is charged with these things. BUT when they are the sentencing is almost always higher (because it is usually bundled with higher crimes).

    There is enough daylight there to easily dupe those who want to be duped.
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    Wow, by sheer coincidence, you managed to say something that was not entirely wrong, but in typical form you were otherwise as wrong as possible. The judge did not reject the deal. She had concerns over its structure (so she deferred approval until she understood it better), and, separately pointed out that the immunity seemed broader than than the Feds were giving it credit for. Why? I don’t know. I think in an overeager thoroughness in providing facts for the guilty plea. When confronted with this, the Feds shat their pants and were abruptly like “no that’s not what we meant at all”. And then it was Hunter Biden’s turn to shit himself when he realized that info would be admissible in a possible FARA violation charge.

    Read the transcript of the arraignment; I did. It seems clear that Biden was the only one of the parties that thought it was a sweetheart deal. It sure doesn’t read like the Feds thought they were giving up their rights to charge him with a FARA violation.

    The parties agreed to meet for two weeks to try to work out a new deal, but it was an arraignment so had to end with a plea. Hunter pleaded not guilty but the judge clearly expected to see them again with a different plea and a mutually agreeable plea deal. According to Hunter Biden’s lawyers, the government has stopped negotiations as of a couple days ago. Personally, I think Hunter Biden’s lawyer was trying to pull a fast one on the Feds, and now they can’t get the same “immunity on charges with this information” term they had before, so they’re just doing a PR campaign to try to win in the court of public opinion.

    But let’s be real clear here: the judge deferred her acceptance (possibly now moot) due to the structure of the deal, not the contents (unless anyone has any further info to the contrary, such as other cases where this exact procedure — public diversion referencing that particular kind of guilty plea in and referenced by it in turn such that the judge does not actually have any sign-off on at least half of it, if not both halves — was used, I’m going to take her at her word). The Feds pulled out once they realized what they were giving up, and now Hunter Biden’s lawyers are whining about it.

    Should the judge have pointed out the immunity that the Feds didn’t realize they were giving out? Debatable. The judiciary is still part of the government, and I don’t love the idea of the the courts helping out the executive branch like that. On the other hand, the way it was structured, it makes some intuitive sense to me that the government should be questioned as to whether it knows what rights it’s giving up the same way it does with a defendant.
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    Yeah, but that's not what Hannity and company told him to believe. :nono:
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    [FF]I don’t listen to Hannity, only Mark Levine. This dirty vicious lie invalidates every single point you have ever made or will ever make. I didn’t vote for Trump![/FF]
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