Iowa is thinking of the children.

I mean, genocide does offend me, but it does a lot of other things too...

Kris Kris’s is gonna make ya?

Which circles back to my very real as in actually happened example.

By addressing that student by their stated name without demanding a signed note from their parents first was I using that classroom as a personal soap box with a captive audience required to listen?

Seems so... Nebraska's version of human rights act and lack of workplace harassment laws look to be about 50 years behind the times.

Stands to reason with all that lead paint you grew up around.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Apparently in UA-land, if you want me to call you by your name instead of just unilaterally declaring that I'm going to call you Shirley the Rabid Goatfucker, that's an unreasonable claim to my deference.

Context matters. In personal conversation, or in an announcement in front of the class, to the tune of "you WILL use these words or face punishment "?

No, in my world, if you want something from me, you will ask, rather than issuing orders or making demands.

The former, aka the same situation the law you support is addressing.

You want one narrow, absolute answer for a game of lawyerball.

I say "private conversation," you'll say "what if the other kids overhear?"

And what if it's the other way around? Does a teacher get to demand the students call them something different from what it was the day before? Fuck no, they don't.

Also, that's not the entirety of the bill, and I never offered to defend the thing top to bottom without qualifiers.

UA = PAB

Don't you flip me your hipster acronyms!

I forced an AI to read all of Uncle Albert's posts and then generate a response. This is what it came up with:

Code:

You're wrong. Furthermore, you are also a poopie-head.

so when SP-UHC finally goes through and the US joins the rest of the first world, or guaranteed income, you'll accept that you, as the electorate, were asked.

or is law only relevant when you wanna sue someone?

And yet this came about because you were the one making blanket statements about the motivations of the teachers involved.

So as someone who was teaching kids, and had that exact scenario occur, the choices are either that your blanket statement applies to me, or you in fact were wrong in making it.

You’re bringing logic to a feelings fight and wondering why the whiney piss baby can’t seem to get it.

You are talking about what is he’s whining about how it makes him feel.

Is it acceptable for the teacher to demand that you call your classmate Johnny "Johnny" instead of "You Fuckhead," or is that an unconscionable demand and an abuse of power?

If Fuckhead doesn't want to be called "Fuckhead," he shouldn't be a fuckhead. You can't tell me not to call a fuckhead a fuckhead just because Fuckhead identifies as not-a-fuckhead and his feelings get hurt when he has to deal with reality.

Oops, meant to post this using my Uncle Albert account.

Yes, it is not our responsibility to convince UA that he is wrong. If he wants us to think he is right, it is his responsibility to convince us he is right.

All he does is speak in an authoritative manner. It all boils down to "I'm right because I say I'm right," which is effectively the same as "I'm right." All that is need to refute the statement "I'm right" is the statement "no, you're wrong."

Now, if one wants UA to present better arguments, he needs convincing, and responsibility for that falls on the person who wants to convince him. If UA wants to be a wrong poopie-head, I personally don't care, and don't feel a need to try to convince him otherwise. If UA wants us to think he's not a wrong poopie-head, he needs to convince us. If that's what he's trying to do with his posts, he's failing, because he's wrong and a poopie-head.

well, except the teacher can insist on how students address them, and workplace policies (along with the human rights code) back them up.

hell, we had this conversation 40 years ago over "Ms.". Much like how a teacher's marital status is irrelevant to the kids' education, so is what is in their pants.

I'm unlikely to sue anyone.

And my regard for the law will remain unchanged. Where it fails to respect my individual freedom, it will be ignored.

There are teachers out there explicitly stating they deliberately ignore parents wishes on this. Some of them out themselves on places like Tiktok.

Oh, fucking wow.
Is he really unaware he's doing this?!??!!?

This. It's why sealioning is so popular. It requires little thought, if any, and the end result is chaos between oppositional parties until the message gets so muddled no one knows what anyone was actually talking about outside of generalities. It's a very old tactic and sadly, it still works, because most people arguing with the sea lion are doing it in good faith, and they don't realize the sea lion exists only to use up the oxygen in the room on everything but the root of the problem. In UA's case, it's more like screelioning, but the point is the same.

Obvious nonsense. Of course they do. Did you never have a teacher get married during the school year? Or never have the school change its policy on how teachers should be addressed? “Carla“ became “Mrs. Jackson” in first grade, “Ms. Taylor” became “Mrs. Taylor-Wallace” in 3rd grade. And what did we do? We dealt with it because we were 6 and 8 years old and perfectly capable of handling that.

IIRC the elementary school PE teacher made everyone call him by Mr. [last initial] because he got tired of kids pronouncing his full last name wrong. And there was no questioning it.

Was his name You Fuckhead yesterday? Does it come with a slew of made up pronouns?

"Everything is made up! I'm profound! "

So now getting married is the same as pretending you can change your gender? The fuck outta here.

We don't have to convince each other. We just have to recognize that we may not dictate terms to each other.

If Mrs. Smith's name was Ms. Johnson yesterday, or Miss Taylor was Miss Emily when you were in kindergarten, is that equally offensive to you?

Also, putting aside the fact that all words are invented by humans, the only pronouns I'm aware of being in wide circulation are ones that have been in common use for centuries. (When you do hear someone doing the "my pronouns are all in Old Norse" routine, it's usually a member of the "I identify as a toaster, hurr hurr hurr" brigade doing it to be a dick.)

Yeah, it's more being uncomfortable with change than anything else. Too many narrow minded people believe that words are immutable, that once they've been created, they cannot be changed. They see humans the same way, despite the fact that we are continually evolving, and that what we are today is not what we were even 10,000 years ago, and isn't what we'll be 10,000 years from now, assuming we survive as a species. It's a side effect of being raised in a culture where many leading authorities believe we were created 6,000 years ago and have remained exactly the same in terms of physiology and emotional maturity.

Hell, from second through fifth grade, I was in a class that my dad was in charge of at least twice a week. For four years he was "Mr. ____" in school and "Dad" as soon as we got in the car to go home. His name literally changed for me twice a day. It wasn't a fucking problem.