Israel is Coming Apart at the Seams, It Seems

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  1. RickDeckard

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    Here is the "Everyone is Hamas" trope again. There were no predictions that everyone would be dead. However, very many are and the 30,000 figure is likely a huge undercount.
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  2. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    Did you catch the part where one of MAP's founders was caught endorsing Elders of Zion like disinformation that was created by KKK leader David Duke? Or that it funds NGOs that are run by the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - you know, the nice people that joined in on the Oct 7th attacks.

    Rick always picks the best people.
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  3. Demiurge

    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    No, I'd be saying it if I was in Gaza too. They can't win, they are ensuring that huge numbers of their own people are killed, and they keep throwing away opportunities to live in peace. They could be going on 75 years of building their own state, for the first time ever I might add.

    Of course, I wouldn't be saying it any more.

    I'd be dead - for saying it.

    And if you don't know that, you are a bigger fool than I thought.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    A gentle reminder to all our far left friends who don't pay attention to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict until their tiktoks get flooded with propgaganda.

    Here's the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, who was raised to be one of the leaders of Hamas and defected to work with Shin Bet.

    Yousef said he saw the light after a stint in an Israeli jail during the mid-1990s. At Megiddo Prison, he witnessed Hamas inmates leading a brutal year-long campaign to weed out supposed Israeli collaborators. "During that time, Hamas tortured and killed hundreds of prisoners," he said, recalling vivid memories of needles being inserted under fingernails and bodies charred with burning plastics. Many, if not all, had nothing to do with Israeli intelligence. "I will never forget their screams," he continued. "I started asking myself a question. What if Hamas succeeded in destroying Israel and building a state. Will they destroy our people in this way?"[11]

    Yousef said that his doubts about Islam and Hamas began forming when he realized Hamas' brutality, and that he hated how Hamas used the lives of suffering civilians and children to achieve its goals.[1] Yousef was held by Shin Bet agents in 1996. While in prison he decided to accept a Shin Bet offer to become an informant.[12][13]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosab_Hassan_Yousef



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  5. RickDeckard

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    More countries restoring funding to UNRWA after Israel failed to substantiate their allegations. Now they're having a hissy fit at their allies.

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    Why do you support Isreal?

    The video is four years old but holds true today. I didn't like some of PM Harper's policies, but at least he was competent (unlike the child currently holding the office).

    I expect the usual antisemites to come back with the usual rebuttals to this video.

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  7. RickDeckard

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    Yeah, I'm not watching that.

    Having spent weeks blocking aid, murdering the people waiting for food, bombing distribution centres and generally starving the people of Gaza, Israel now claims that it will "flood" Gaza with aid. Could be more PR bullshit or maybe international pressure is having an effect.

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    https://www.threads.net/@ngrossman8...QGza0jd2v8BFmKrkhH6nLgDLZcwzUxQ3i8cY_WCu_2sNg

    Israeli forces raiding Al Shifa Hospital again is a sign of bad military strategy.
    Bad enough to raid a hospital once, especially when civilians fleeing combat have taken refuge in the complex. But if enemy fighters set up there, as Hamas did, they make it a military target. War is hell.
    But to fight in a hospital complex, only to leave and allow enemies to regroup there, necessitating further military action?
    Clear-Hold-Build is textbook. Apparently, Israel didn't bother with step 2.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/al-shifa-hospital-gaza-1.7146912
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  9. RickDeckard

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    The "Hamas terrorist" that they targetted and killed was the police chief responsible in the last couple of days for the first fully successful aid delivery to northern Gaza in weeks. The coordination of the delivery was organised at the hospital, which has only recently renewed partial operation following the previous attack. But Israel won't tolerate that apparently.

    The voices criticising Israel are getting more senior but it's still just talk. The EU foreign policy chief accused them of using starvation as a weapon. Nancy Pelosi said that they were lying about aid.
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  11. RickDeckard

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    Here is the situation according to the IPC. Fuck Israel.

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    Netanyahu: “As far as the State of Israel is concerned, there is no obstacle for the Gazans to leave, maybe even the port they are building could be used for this."
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    Netanyahu says there's no other solution.

    Some reporter with balls needs to say "so would you say....it's....the FINAL soluuuutioooon?? :?:".
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    David Cameron got Eylon Levy fired :lol:

    Canada have cut Israel off from weapons. They don't get much from Canada but it's an important political step.
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    Fuck Hamas for October 7th. Everyone who planned, permitted, oversaw, and executed it should be tried.
    That said, I'm thinking a war crimes tribunal might be needed soon.
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    There are few journalists remaining to cover it but there are disturbing eyewitness reports emerging from Al Shifa hospital.

    As mentioned upthread, the hospital was used for a meeting between tribal elders and civic authorities to co-ordinate aid deliveries to the north. There was a successful aid delivery - but the Israeli side don't want that unless it is conducted under their authority. So they tried to get these groups to collaborate with them. Upon being met with refusal they declared them to be terrorists. They've spent the last week assassinating everyone involved - along with their families.

    In the hospital they've sent wounded, dying and starving patients into the streets and blown up the main surgical building.

    The IDF apparently had a list of names and have been running everyone they found in the hospital through the list, using an AI. Anyone found on the list or related to anyone on the list (including children) has been summarily executed.

    In the midst of this, the IDF have begun to lawyer up (creating a whole division of lawyers) for the time when inevitably some observers get into Gaza and see what they've been doing.
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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Shifa_Hospital

    The Washington Post analyzed the publicly released material by Israel, along with satellite imagery and other publicly available material, and concluded that the rooms that were connected to a tunnel network did not show any immediate evidence of being used by Hamas, and that each of the buildings that the IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari had identified as being "directly involved" in Hamas's military activity did not appear to be connected to any tunnel network, and that there had been no evidence released that showed that a tunnel network could be accessed from inside hospital wards.[35]

    On January 2, 2024, U.S. intelligence confirmed its belief that Hamas used the Al-Shifa Hospital as a command center and to hold Israeli hostages, mentioning in an assessment that Hamas “used the al-Shifa hospital complex and sites beneath it to house command infrastructure, exercise certain command and control activities, store some weapons, and hold at least a few hostages.”[37][36][106] No evidence was publicly presented to sustain those claims.[38]

    Additional evidence reviewed by the New York Times in February 2024 indicated that the tunnel extended further beyond the territory of the hospital, likely connecting to the rest of the tunnels network, and had "underground bunkers, living quarters and a room that appeared to be wired for computers and communications equipment."[27]

    On 18 March 2024 IDF again raided the Al-Shifa hospital resulting in an intense battle with Hamas. IDF reported the loss of 1 soldier and claimed to have killed Faiq Mabhouh, the head of operations in Hamas’s internal security force and an undisclosed number of Hamas gunmen.[107][108] Faiq is the brother of Mahmoud Mabhouh the former chief of logistics and weapons procurement of Hamas who was assassinated in 2010.[109] Hamas acknowledged the death of Faiq but denied he was coordinating military operations or to be a member of the military. Al-Aqsa TV claimed he was a member of the Gaza police and the Director of Operations at the Ministry of Interior and the coordinator of aid operations with other agencies such as UNRWA and the tribes. However, UNRWA denied any links to Faiq.[110]

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    Demiurge Goodbye and Hello, as always.

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    This is Al Jazeera columnist and former director Yasser Abuhilalah admitting:

    “It was revealed through Hamas investigations that the story of the rape of women in Al-Shifa Hospital was fabricated… The woman who spoke about rape justified her exaggeration and incorrect talk by saying that the goal was to arouse the nation’s fervor and brotherhood”


    https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1772188340676132932

    The original source, with Google translation:
    https://twitter.com/lelemSLP/status/1772186990580015173/photo/1

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    So I am generally a Give the IDF the Benefit of the Doubt person but the more that comes out (from the Israeli media) the more this is looking like a Second Battle of Fallujah type fuck up.

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    I mean the kind where Kilo Company was completely disbanded after the investigation. Even those not Courts Martialed, jailed and/or kicked out for misconduct were Separated Under Other than Honorable Conditions* from the Marines (for not reporting) and the entire company was rebuilt from scratch.

    *A Dishonorable Discharge is equivalent to a felony conviction in terms of job applications, most state and federal benefit programs and you then have go and argue in court to get any veteran’s benefits. Separation Under than Honorable Conditions just means you left under not the best terms.
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  22. RickDeckard

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    That sounds to me like the "few bad apples" excuse. Seems to me that what happened here is that either:

    1. This was a deliberate attempt to produce the outcome that has on fact transpired, whereby aid organisations halt their work - in furtherance of the starvation of the Gazan population.

    2. This was yet another outworking of the IDF rules of engagement, whereby the prospect of hitting what they define as a legitimate target (problematic in itself) legitimises any level and any type of collateral damage.

    There's more to say about other recent events including at Al Shifa and in Syria but I've been travelling. Just when you think they can't go any lower, they in fact do.
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    The IDF is the donald trump of armies.
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    Further revelations from 972 mag. Maybe Netanyahu will ban it too.

    https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

    It's all awful, but this but stands out. Like I say, there is no bottom.

    “Israel developed another automated system called “Where’s Daddy?” used "specifically to track the targeted individuals and carry out bombings when they had entered their family’s residences."
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    Further comments on the last few days.

    Israel destroyed the Iranian consulate in Damascus. It's difficult to think of any precedent in history - just a completely egregious violation of the Vienna Convention governing diplomatic relations. And difficult to think of any reason for it than to provoke an Iranian response - which must be imminent - and further drag the region into war.

    They left Al Shifa hospital a burnt out husk with no possibility of it being used as a hospital again. Many mutilated bodies and execution-style killings are apparent, and their declaration that they hadn't harmed a single civilian is both two-fingers to the world and a further divulgence of their modus operandi - everyone is Hamas.

    The UK appear to be coming close to suspending weapons transfers. It took seven white people being killed. Tens of thousands of brown ones didn't matter. The attacks on aid have been going on for weeks.

    John Kirby, Matt Miller and the rest have descended into farce in maintaining that Israel has to date committed no violations of IHL. It's completely at odds with other things that the US government has been saying, including that bombing has been indiscriminate and that they weren't doing enough to allow aid in. It can only be explained by legal ass-covering.

    The ICJ issued further instructions to Israel to allow aid in at scale. The Israeli legal response - made by top lawyers - was petulant and juvenile. But reading between the lines of legal jargon, the court is not happy with them and they're fucked at the merits stage.
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    Oh, I forgot. The US finally allowed a UNSC resolution to pass demanding an immediate ceasefire. And then promptly declared that the resolution was non-binding. Certainly a legal "novelty".
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    Look. I said this ain’t good. I’m still trying to figure out what the hell happened. These AI leaks and ‘there is no central control every company commander is their own warlord and decides ROE’ leaks are less than clarifying.

    Honestly half the leaks coming out about this seem like they are just getting Hague defenses on the record early. So who knows what to believe.

    But for real. YOU DON’T HIT WORLD CENTRAL KITCHEN. Set aside just not hitting humanitarian aid workers, or western humanitarian aid workers, DON’T TARGET WESTERN HUMANITARIAN AID WORKERS FROM AN ORG WHOSE CELEBRITY FOUNDER LIVES IN DC (well Bethesda but…) AND IS A HUGE DOWNTOWN DC BOOSTER AND EVERY RESTAURANT CONCEPT HE FIRST TESTS IN DC! AND WHOM DC CONSIDERS A FAVORED SON AND AMBASSADOR!

    You are seriously pissing in the worst bowl of cheerios you could pick.
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    I think Trump may have shown Isreal that the US does not do consequences when you are that big to them. He really showed a number of violent dogs in the world that there is no leash.
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  29. RickDeckard

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    Quelle fucking surprise. Biden finally discovered his leverage, made a phonecall and about ten minutes later, the Israelis announce the opening of more aid crossings.

    Killing white people really is a different ball-game, isn't it? They're still murdering brown people collecting aid and nobody gives a shit. This video is from yesterday. No wonder they're banning Al Jazeera.

    I mean, it doesn't mean that they'll allow the aid to actually reach people and they've yet to do anything in furtherance of Bidens other demand for a ceasefire, but it's a start.
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    Is there a pooch left in Israel yet to be screwed by Netanyahu?

    I can't say I'm truly bothered about the Damascus attack, Iran has been busy setting up geopolitical minefields whilst the West in general decided to take up navel gazing as a hobby, so its about time they got their nose punched, otherwise we're going to have another India/Pakistan type situation in the near future, only with more religious nuttery owning nukes, which I'm sure won't go horribly wrong.

    Outside of government, everyone seems to be thinking short term on turning backs on Israel, as opposed to the current government - anyone want to imagine what the current Israeli government would be doing without even a threadbare leash? Yeah, it could be worse. I know it is generally not done, but there needs to be a combined statement about having faith in the nation of Israel and its people, but none at all in the current government and demand the removal of Netanyahu.

    It's a shame it's an election year, as Isreal needs to exit Gaza in exchange for international guarantees for its security, led by the US and Arab League who would govern the area until such time the Palestinians can have a government that won't be marking time to start a war. Won't happen this year though, if ever.
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