It's time for some disobedience.

Stop and consider how many people you are saying are paranoid. Because we've all read your posts. And Paladin's posts. And John's posts.

Perhaps you should go back and read what you are writing........

Bullshit. I realize you're enjoying riding the wave as the popular admin at this time, but you thought there was a problem when you and flow decided to Box the Dayton threads (remember, I had no part in that). In the immediate aftermath of your suggestions to the problem centered around trying to promote the Green Room.

But now you're enjoying the drama so you're pretending there is no problem (is Elwood lying when he says it isn't a totally new problem and has been dealt with before?).

Do you really wonder why a board owner isn't appreciated or respected, when he talks this way to people who disagree with him?

You are arrogant and vulgar to an unbelievable degree for a board owner. And then people wonder why I say I am enjoying the board much less since the change in ownership. If I keep coming around (albeit less), it certainly is not because the new ownership has made the place better. It is in spite of the way the new ownership -- through the primary owner -- has changed the board.

Sure, some of the usual trolls are chiming in just for the fun of it (though many of them might actually disagree with the direction you have taken as well), but when you think you can address people like Frontline, tafkats, garamet, Elwood, Packard, gul, caboose, and myself that way, just because you don't like what we're saying, you show that you don't have the faintest clue how to "make friends and influence people," or what role that plays, as a board owner, in making the board popular.

I know that humility and politeness were never qualities anyone accused you of demonstrating to an excessive degree, but this level of disdain for the board members is something absolutely new in the history of Wordforge. I don't even remember Borgs coming to that point. In fact, the last example I can think of comes from the Briefing Room threads leaked back in early 2003, showing what the TBBS staff thought of most of the regulars in TNZ. The result was inevitable, and if you continue, it will be inevitable here as well.

If you had became owner with the specific desire of driving away the regulars and destroying the board, you wouldn't have to take any different course from what you have taken.

No build WHAT? And is this the point where @tafkats chastises me for characterizing those foaming over this discussion as part of the 'don't do nothing, never' crowd.

Once again, we must be reading different threads as much worse has been thrown at me in here. This is the Red Room, not the Help Desk.

I think the disconnect is that your side hasn't convinced even a significant minority of the board that this issue is actually a problem.

I'm about as low key a poster as you'll find and I don't see a problem.

And he got heat for doing that. No one likes Box threads. NO ONE.

Again Dayton3 isn't the problem. It's the people who won't stop responding to him that are the problem.

And again you and others try to confuse this situation with Dayton and only Dayton.

The derp that was cut out of the Malaysian plane thread? It wasn't just Dayton. It was other stuff as well.

You want to cut the "derp" regardless of who the "derp" comes from out of Red Room threads.

All the proof of that is contained in this very thread.

"This is nothing new. Thread splitting, merging, boxing etc has been happening since the beginning. Most analogous to this situation was when O2C did the exact same thing last year when Clyde went full retard and started spamming up threads."

"When diversion has gone multipaged and drowned put discussion, splitting is an appropriate way to keep both thread topics going without one drowning out the other."

"And still, no one has yet to articulate how splitting off the tangents in any way harms discussion. Some people wanted to have the thread to get updates, and were pissed at having to wade through pages of derp. Others don't give a shit about anyone but themselves and love the jollies kicking Dayton around for the thousandth time gives them. Both groups get what they want. How is that not win-win?"

Your administration ignores help desk threads. So

I have been talking about options other than splitting, literally for days now.

Only bullshit ones like, 'ban bronies' or 'resign'.

Aslo, @Ancalagon, let's not pretend you didn't box threads. This post is number 133 of the "Derp" thread and it was, in fact, it's own thread with several replies until you boxed it in with the derp. Not only were you "underping" a thread, you were actively silencing opposition as quickly as you could.

How is resign a bullshit thread?

Who is going to take over the superowner position after Anc's year is up? I take note of the fact that question has been carefully avoided.

Yep, you really don't have any idea, do you?

For the record, that isn't true. It might have been more clearly set along partisan lines, so you wouldn't have experienced it post-Borgs, but I and others did. I'm just saying that to point out that nobody was perfect and we could all move on just fine anyway. Also, I don't think this is a general trait for Ancalagon, although my perception might be limited for the same reasons. But he's certainly going down the deep end right now, and I really wish he'd just take a break for two days, breathe, and come back relaxed.

I didn't box it or ask anyone to box it. I have never done it.

Yeah, I told Flow to go with the idea. It was an experiment. I also quickly suggested that it had been a mistake when I saw the result. See how that's different from what you've done here?

And Elwood can speak for himself, but I took his statement to mean something very different, which was that it's not a problem, because it's part of what the Red Room has always been.

Seriously, take some deep breaths and step back from your position. Read Async's post about how you are talking to people. Go back and re-read your own posts, and think about how you might respect such statements directed at yourself. Then go look at 14th Doctor's thread (hooray, a poll!) and notice how the resoundingly large majority voted.

So who did it? And what disciplinary action are you taking against this individual who violated board policy?

I predict no one because Anc will have sold his share of WF long before the transition date to the other three owners negating the need for a superowner position as there will be simple majority rule.

That's how I took it as well.

@Elwood ? Chime in here if we're misreading you.

My real position, or the one people saying I secretly have?

It's not just a question of those kinds of statements thrown around. This is the Red Room, and much worse gets thrown around all the time. It is such statements being thrown around by a board owner, in regards to people saying what they think about how the board should be run. That is an entirely different kettle of fish. Anc could say those kinds of things, or even much worse, to people disagreeing with him about politics, religion, or JJ Abrams, and no one would bat an eye. But he seems to fail completely to grasp that when you are dead set against listening to what the board membership has to say, and merely insult them in vulgar terms for daring to have such opinions, you are totally out of touch with your membership. That can have only one outcome.

In my off-the-top-of-my-head list earlier of posters who have been disagreeing with Anc, and who are thus included in his insults, I forgot such notable trolls as shootER and Chuck. Yeah, he really should come up with stronger ways of insulting Chuck...

Fuck Chuck.

Oh, the rhyming thing was only in the Helpdesk?

Your position that we need to make a change in the Red Room. What you think about steps for making the change won't matter when you step back from the idea that one should be made.

I predict no one because the board will be a ghost town by then.

Not taking anyones side but...

Anyone ever watch Bar Rescue? It's my one guilty pleasure reality show. For those who don't know, it's about failing bars who put in to have this guy (Jon Taffer) come in and makeover their bar, staff, menu, and give training to the staff.

Sometimes Jon comes to a bar with a small loyal following that just doesn't pay the bills. The makeover is almost certainly going to drive them away because they usually target a younger crowd. The owner has to make the decision to play to this older loyal crowd an possibly watch the bar go under, or stick with the makeover and probably drive most of the old crowd away.


Again, not taking Anc's side, he's generally being a douche and failing at his psyops attempts to manipulate.

But at the same time, your forum members are literally dying off and this place is not inviting or interesting to most people.

So eventually the owners will have to make the above decision.

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