Joe Rogan Cancels the Cancelers

Rogan fearlessly jumped on Gupta about stuff that other CNN hosts were saying. Gupta actually tried to deal in good faith with him instead of realizing that talk shows are like wrestling matches. They are (at least in Rogan's genre) about scoring points and "winning". Not about an actual exchange of views and information. When Rogan brought up the other claims, Gupta should have just said, "you'll have to ask them." I'm once again reminded of the old adage that arguing with idiots (Rogan is a self-described "moron") is like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll knock over the pieces, crap on the board then strut around like they won.

Fox News derp aside, CNN and the media at large do misrepresent ivermectin as a drug for animals, when in fact it’s FDA approved for use in humans. Joe Rogan is 100% in the right for calling them out on that particular point.

Whether ivermectin is effective in treating covid, is a separate issue. I think it’s unfortunate that culture war nonsense is preventing this drug from getting its fair trial in the court of professional opinions. There are a great many established doctors around the world who believe in its use against covid.

I don’t think FF has any problem with Rogan hosting Gupta, or anyone else for that matter. This comment makes no sense. People who like Rogan (including myself) appreciate his willingness to talk to anyone, especially people with heterodox ideas.

Do you know for a fact that the consensus against ivermectin is that strong? Feel free to cite a source.

It's a generic drug. Anyone can sell it for pennies. That's why big pharma wants to kill it, so they can sell their proprietary products instead. Or so the theory goes. And I don't think it's particularly outlandish, given what we know about cooperate greed in the US and how they lobby government.

Yes, and this is where my view diverges from Rogan et al. Those pushing ivermectin often want it to be a substitute for vaccines. It isn’t. That doesn’t mean it couldn’t be an effective therapeutic. Walk an chew gum. Breakthrough cases of covid are real; I know some personally. Those people need effective treatments.

Overall, it’s unfortunate that FF’s poor debating skills are allowing this dogpile against him and Rogan to succeed. It’s also unfortunate that Wordforge, apparently, has become allergic to any heterodox ideas whatsoever, which is what Rogan champions. Some of these ideas, like the efficacy of ivermectin against covid, may not pan out. But many are worth a discussion, if only for the Lefties on this board to break out of their echo chamber.

How seriously do you want us to take your arguments when you didn't read as far as the first sentence of the first post in this thread?

I think you're conflating FF's initial disinterest in this particular episode with his (as you imagine) disapproval of who Rogan hosts. We don't know that FF was particularly interested in the others you mentioned, do we? But anyway, I see your point more clearly now.

Now are you going to grapple in good faith with everything else I wrote?

I mean, I was hoping WF would have recognized that a news organization lying to its audience isn’t a good thing, but this is where we are.

It is not that. It is the person telling us about that. It is like freddy kruger trying to tell us all about how Jason is coming to get us. Yeah freddy, I am going to trust you because you told me not to play with Pinheads puzzle box. Thanks for letting me know Micheal Myers is down the street killing people Mr. Kruger, I think I can feel safe falling asleep now.

Of course federal fuckup is the one who tells everyone we all need to split up and go to sleep because freddy has warned us about all the night stalkers. We are all just looking at the boy and know he is freddy fodder.

Damn, that seriously works?

Even if I were gonna entertain the nonsense that every single major news outlet is lying, Joe Rogan is still shit on his own merits and you're an idiot falling for his brand of lies.

Regardless of whether Rogan had a point about the "horse paste" issue, Ivermectin is not a recognised treatment for COVID and no reputable medical study has said otherwise. We don't need to "engage in good faith discussion" on whether it works - the medical community does that research for us - that's what they are there for!

You don't argue with lawyers when they tell you to take the Fifth, you don't naysay your mechanic when he tells you your car's engine needs a part. Why are Republicans always the ones having to adopt counterculture, even in the face of a fucking deadly disease?

Rogan (and FF by extension) are putting people in danger (even if just themselves) by spreading this bullshit. If they actually believe it, they're delusional. If they're doing it to "trigger the libs", they're fucking evil because people are dying who needn't just so they can get a giggle fit over it.

Do you fuss with your GP when he tells you to take ivermectin for covid? Like it or not, that's a thing.

If my doctor told me to take Ivermectin I would have a conversation with him about how an anti-parasitic works on a virus. There may be some reason to actually do it, and that reason may not actually be directly linked to covid.

However, if you would like to take a step up and respond to the reasons you do not take Ivermectin for COVID feel free to impress us with something real and not some right wing snake oil bullshit. Please do tell us the situations where a doctor might legitimately prescribe ivermectin for someone who has covid. There are not that many so perhaps I should give you a while to do some actual research on it? Or maybe you should STFU on a situation that really does not happen.

I'm still confused by the title, exactly who has Rogan cancelled? CNN? He's cancelling them by getting a rep of theirs on his podcast? How did they cancel him?

You gotta buy the rice professionally frozen for this purpose.

On the upside, however, this thread did let me rep-bomb the shit out of Federal Farmer with .

If I hit anyone else in this thread by accident, please let me know and I'll retract it.

OK... This is the GOTCHA bullshit I'm so tired of. Yes, Ivermectin in large quantities is used as a horse dewormer. And yes, there is a human dosage that is much less concentrated and is used to treat parasitic infections. There is scant evidence that Ivermectin is effective to treat COVID. CNN should have not portrayed it as Rogan took horse dewormer but to characterize it that CNN knowingly lied about it instead of saying that CNN got their facts wrong is just as bad.

The cartoonist Ben Garrison and his wife have severe covid.

Uhm ... Covid isn't a parasitic infection. Who comes up with this nonsense?

they were using anti-malarial drugs before this. Isn't malaria kind of a parasite. Makes sense.

They were throwing everything at the disease in order to figure out if there was a drug that was already on the market that might help people. Which makes sense, as it's easier to get an existing drug approved for new use than it is to develop a new drug and get it approved. You might remember that they were pumping people full of Tamiflu in the early days of the pandemic since it is an antiviral. Interesting that nobody's talked about taking that recently.

I know I'm late to the party but I just wanted to point out that Ivermectin is only slightly less effective against COVID19 than Vick's Vapo-rub is against prostate cancer.

Personal experience?

I would wager actual money that far more people have died thinking Ivermectin was going to save them than have died thinking the J&J / Pfizer / Moderna vax were going to save them.

The CDC and FDA have advisories out saying not to use ivermectin to treat covid.

NIH has one out saying that ivermectin is has no proven efficacy in treating covid and can be dangerous in large quantities.
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering...-should-not-be-used-prevent-or-treat-covid-19

WHO says that ivermectin should only be used in clinical trials.
https://www.who.int/news-room/featu...used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials

It is known that people were buying horse sized doses in animal goods stores and using them on themselves, which is where the horse related mockery came from.

There are several large scale studies going on, and if they are show efficacy then the science will change.

Data that shows ivermectin to be efficacious turned out to be fraudulent. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02081-w

Take away - listen to the smart people, not podshow hosts.

Because you come off like an idiot then.

Likewise, if my GP told me to take ivermectin for COVID, this would be the same incompetent fucker who DIDN'T tell me to take the vaccine?

Sure, I might catch it anyway, but if he told me not to take the vaccine, I might just query his choice of remedy. The same way I'd question a lawyer who told me to lie to the cops and then started suggesting plea deals once the cops found out.

I didn't even think Tamiflu was a real drug. I always heard people talking about it and thought it was an herbal thing. Bad marketing there, IMHO.

Ohhhh, Airborne is the one that's hooey.

Airborne is an over the counter drug that may or may not combat colds and flu. It's marketed as invented by a teacher and the teachers I've discussed it with, swear by it. I seldom get colds or the flu. So, I wouldn't know.

It’s homeopathic, so it’s bullshit.