Joe Rogan Cancels the Cancelers

OMG could Jenee be any more clueless?

Airborne is not "peddled" as a cure for anything, let alone cancer. It's marketed as a preventative to colds and flu. And even then, it only says ... *googles to get correct verbiage* ... well, they changed the packaging because people can't read. Anyway, it was never sold as a cure because there isn't a cure for the cold. It's only used to help prevent getting a cold or the flu if you are in constant contact with ... people who may be spreading germs.

Abbott Laboratories was established in 1888. and they are the leader in many fields of pharmaceuticals.

Hence the word "probably".

The warnings from the health authorities are most likely to prevent people from overdosing and/or self-medicating with animal products. That doesn't necessarily indict ivermectin in and of itself.

If you're willing to wait and see where the research and science lands in the long-term, why all the vitriol? My position is simply that, and also not second-guessing the frontline professionals who choose to administer ivermectin in safe amounts.

Listen to the smart people, not the podcast hosts? This ignores the fact that Rogan has had serious doctors on his show pushing the drug. You can read about some of their credentials here.

See chiropractic.
https://quackwatch.org/chiropractic/general/

Why all the vitriol? Because

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Very first guy on the list?

Yeah, sounds like the kind of guy I'd want treating m... oh, no, wait - I wouldn't trust him to cure one of my sheep - if I owned sheep.

@matthunter

Cherry pick much?

It was the first one he picked.

IT STILL DOESN’T DO DICK!!!! HOMEOPATHY IS QUACKERY!!!!

I mean cherry-picking his failures while ignoring an overwhelmingly successful career, much of which is listed in the same Wikipedia article. 450 peer-reviewed articles published. Many high academic positions and awards obtained.

Are we moving the goal from "must be a professional" to "must be a professional with an immaculate record?" I don't know how many doctors generally would meet that standard.

Obviously, these are the sort of doctors who like to experiment and take risks. I don't see that as a problem necessarily, given that we're battling a novel coronavirus and novel treatments are in demand.

I do believe airborn is not homeopathy. It does have ingredients and is not water. It has zinc and vitamin C and stuff like that. You put water onto the tablet and it bubbles, but you are supposed to drink everything and not dilute it to the point it is water again.

Now you are arguing past each other. Maybe the airborn people have improperly used the term homeopathy as I have not seen their shit for years, but it would not seem to be homeopathy by definition.

That's unfortunately the long and the short of it. But despite what his critics claim, it's usually clear to me that they don't actually listen to much of the podcast, and are likely getting their points second-hand, or in out-of-context clips.

Yet they don’t sell homeopathic “remedies.”

He's an accomplished heart surgeon. He's not an epidemiologist or a virologist.

He also has a record of being wrong when he flies in the face of time-consuming research.

In short, he's Toby Russell from TNG's Ethics. Worf wouldn't be up and gutting petaQ without him, but I wouldn't trust him over Crusher.

If Rogan were a serial killer, he'd be a clown with dangerous gadgets popping out of his clothes, and he'd keep clumsily pushing the buttons as he trips over his clown shoes, and as people fell dead with fountains of blood gushing out, he'd be all "whoops! Whoops! Uh oh! This is fine! This is fine! Just a flesh wound! Everyone remain calm! Whoops! Dammit! Oh boy! That's gonna leave a mark! Yikes!".

That’s because you fuck them to death.

The boogeyman, dummy.

This implies I don't own sheep because I kill them with my penis.

But they'd have to be my sheep for a brief moment prior to death.

I don't just fuck random sheep.

I mean, if you're accusing me of that, I'd be capable of fucking any brainless, woolly mammal.

Like your mother.

If he were the boogeyman, it would be worse.
He come out of the closet carrying his giant gorilla kettle bells, and they'd clank all around and wake the kid up.
And the parents.
And then Joey Diaz would come stumbling in after him high out of his mind on an entire pot brownie.
(See, muthafucka, I DID watch the show)

It has had “homeopathic treatment” on the label in the past. The “nice” thing about that is it’s basically impossible for the FDA to regulate your product as the legislation that created the FDA was written by a guy who had ties to the industry. They can do some things, but are prevented from having the same kind of oversight that they do over actual medicine. Even if Airborne is selling itself as little more than glorified zinc and vitamin C supplements, it’s quack medicine as numerous studies have shown that this doesn’t do anything to help with colds.

Here's how useful the FDA is. Sugar-free Tic-Tac mints? Have sugar in. The FDA says as long as it's below a certain amount per mint, it's free.

By that token, there can be a percentage of dog shit in your food and the FDA says it's free of dog shit.

I trust the CDC. The FDA can go eat a dog-shit free sandwich.

Which is understandable, since a lot of companies slap the word "homeopathic" on anything natural or herbal, whether it has anything to do with traditional homeopathic practice or not.

Chiropractic is an oddball mix of legitimate and quackish.

It can be freaking awesome for neck or back pain. A couple years ago I had neck pain at least two or three days a week on average. Started seeing a chiropractor and it went away.

It's the people who claim adjusting your spine can cure everything from kidney stones to the common cold who are full of shit.

Or the chiropractor I saw about 20 years ago who did something called "network chiropracty," where he got five or six people in a room, had them all lie down, and went around just pressing lightly on various parts of people's backs.

He was also a homeopath. Go figure.

You got took.

18th Century. Germ Theory started coming in vogue ~1850.

1865. Ignaz Semmelweis first proposed the idea and the medical establishment thought he was nuts, despite the volumes of evidence backing up his claims. They eventually had him committed to a mental asylum where he was murdered by the staff. A short time later, someone else came up with the same idea and medicine started to come around to the idea. It supposedly took longer for doctors in the US to accept the idea.

It's a little more complicated than that. Some things are regulated by the FDA and some are regulated by the USDA. Contaminant levels, for example, are regulated by the USDA (since the USDA is the one that inspects the facilities).

Here's the thing that got me: When I worked for Nissan in the ecoat department (basically the rustproofing and primering of the vehicles), we had to do all sorts of tests on the stuff that was sprayed on the vehicles (to clean the bare metal), as well as the chemicals found in the baths that the vehicles were submerged in to ensure that they were properly coated. We did them not only at the places where the chemicals were injected into the system, but also various places along the process to ensure that the levels remained high enough. Some of the tests were fairly simple (you take a sample, bake it in an oven and make sure that it looks like it's supposed to), others of them were more complicated (ph paper tests, chemical reaction tests, and the like). At my last job, we had to mix up a brining solution to be injected into turkeys. The chemicals (salts, preservatives, and sugars) needed to be put into the mixing vat in a particular order, then mixed for a specified amount of time (at a particular temperature), before you added the next ingredient. The only testing we did was the temperature of the stuff in the vat, and if there were enough solids floating around in the mixture. That's it. It's important to note that some of the preservatives used in the process can be deadly if someone puts too much in. And no, a solid's test would not reveal if you'd put too much of the stuff in. I asked the USDA inspector if this was standard, or if we were skirting the rules on it, and he said that we were doing what the law called for.

Oh, and if you dumped the stuff into the vat in the wrong order, didn't let them mix for the right amount of time, or got the wrong amount, the solid's test wouldn't really show that there was a problem unless you completely forgot to add an ingredient that was a large amount and didn't readily dissolve. It also wouldn't tell you what you fucked up on (we only did the test after we added everything and it had been allowed to mix for a specific period of time).

so like, inspector gadget gone rogue?