Just Bought an AR15

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  1. shootER

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    The original specs for the AR15 (and the first M16s sent to Vietnam for testing) was a 1:14 twist, which was later reduced to 1:12 with the A1.
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    Yes! 1/14! Yes!

    **Evan Almighty Dance**
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    Firearms are a felony here in the Midwest. Here we aren't allowed to own ANYTHING that's intended by design to be used as a weapon :jayzus:
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    Shoes and I shot tonight. Interestingly enough, our frangible ammo kept breaking in each of our guns, and on one round he blew out a primer without the round firing. It was frustrating to have so many rouns break and then jam, right on the feedramp. But frangible ammo is just compressed metal particles, so I guess it's possible to get a bad batch. :shrug:

    Shoes then helped me clean the rifle and showed me how to take the handguards off, etc.
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    Thanks, shoes!

    Also, I need to get a good tactical accessory rail for my gun. I can't put anything on it right now, and that sucks. :(

    Thanks!
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    Refer to my first post in this thread showing you what things you need to get.
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    Forgive me, for I have sinned.

    I bought a new UTG rail (#416) for $30.00 at a gun show. I got a grip for $12, and a new red dot for $50.

    I'm not sure if it's the BEST stuff, but it's good enough to let me play around with and get a feel for things before I buy nice. :D
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    Nothing wrong with that line of thinking.
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    Hey, I have this thing mounted to the far rear of the rail that the aperature was originally on. Is that the way to go? It doesn't seem as stable as the handle site was.
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    By 'thing' I'm assuming you mean that red dot optic that you got? If so then no, you have it mounted incorrectly. Behind the red dot optic should be your BUIS (back up Iron sight). That way should your red dot fail then you engage the BUIS and you are still in the game and your rifle has not been reduced to being either a noise maker or club. Look at the following pics. They show how the BUIS is mounted at the rear of the rail, with the optic in front of it.

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    I you do not have a BUIS I suggest something llike an ARMS 40 or a Troy Industries.

    Having an optic with no BUIS is like the brakes on your car. Sure the calipers may be good, but with out pads life can get really interesting really fast.
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    Man, when did plain old iron sights become so unfashionable? Everyone wants to be a gear queer these days. Fresh privates in Basic Training can bullseye targets at 300 meters without using all these fancy optics.
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    So could I and I probably still can (if I could get to the only 300m range within two hours driving time). But I freely admit that I am a gear queer. However it comes to a point where its counter productive and you run into being a mall ninja. IMO The red dot optics are fantastic for CQB in that they allow the user to have quicker sight acquisition and they give a greater field of view. Add a magnifier (or just get an ACOG) to it and now yes you can more easily nail that 300m target. Changing out the standard hand guard for some rails mainly allows you to attach a fore grip (attaching the fore grip to the standard hand guards is bad ju ju). I do this because with the fore grip I don't have to shoot off hand and therefore have a more stable firing position when standing. Well since you have the rails, then why not attach a light so in a CQB situation you can see what you are shooting at inside your house. That's about where I stop though. My only personal stance is that I'll pass on the cheap stuff and wait till I can buy stuff that isnt going to be prone to break in a high stress environment (competition, defensive carbine course, home defense, etc..). A lot of the cheap stuff, especially the Chicom knock offs optics are made poorly with substandard parts and are prone to failure. Normally shit fails when you can least afford it. So I'm not gonna take that chance.

    But you can do so much more with the AR platform and honestly that to me makes it fun. Don't like the buttstock, change it. Don't like the pistol grip, you can change that too. Wanna swap out uppers, go for it. Wanna put a magnifier on it, do it and see your targets better. Wanna Duracoat your rifle in some psychedelic pattern, let your imagination be your limits. Hell you want a laser, you can mount that as well. The available options out there are amazing if thats your thing.
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    Personally, unless you're a cop, I don't see much point in putting white light on a gun. It may show you where the bad guy is, but it also will tell him where you are.

    Now put IR or Starlight optics on one, and I'm all ears.
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    I don't get the need for a gangsta grip on an M4. There's a mag well for a reason. ;)
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    I'm told that it gives more control. The only weapon I've fired with a vertical foregrip is one of the AKs owned by my best friend. :shrug:
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    I've never seen a gang banger with a tricked out AR.
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    [​IMG]

    Need to get a buis. Need to get a flashlight that works with the front grip.
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    I hear ya, but I've got three kids in the house. I want to be 100% sure of what it is that Im shooting at. Plus all you do is mount it with a pressure switch and you get instant on/off that doesnt give your position away.

    amateur :rolleyes: ;) Seriously though shootER is right. The fore grip does give you better control than you would get with the mag well. This is especially true cause each person is different and you can move the fore grip to accommodate each individual shooter. You cant do that with the mag well. Finally the fore grip is also a great place to mount the pressure switch for the light.

    IMO, make the BUIS a priority.
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  20. Scott Hamilton Robert E Ron Paul Lee

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    Frontline - is there a way to make sure you've positioned the grip properly? I have mine pretty far forward (I'm 6'4"), and it's based on comfort... but is it supposed to be based on comfort, or some other gauge?
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    I think it's a matter of individual preference. The only rule of thumb I've ever heard is that you try to keep it as close to the mag well as possible, while still being comfortable.
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    Yep, Shoes is right. It's based on personal comfort which is based on your body size and height. Im 5'10" with arms that are about 28" or so long (fingertip to shoulder). So I set the fore grip as close to the mag well. This allows me to rest my (upper arm shoulder to the elbow) arm against my torso when in a standing / offhand position. This stance allows one's body to support the weight of the rifle, rather than the arm providing the support. By distributing the weight of the rifle like this, it provide a more stable firing position in the most unstable of positions.
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    Ok some food for thought regarding a BUIS that I picked up at another board. Yeah you can go with ah ARMS, Troy, or LaRue BUIS....or you can do this. Pick up a spare hand guard (or take the one that came with your rifle) and..CUT OFF the carry handle so all that is left is the sight and the rail mount. DUH!!! It's easy to do. The only complicated machinery you'll need is a hack saw and if you wannt get sexy a belt sander for the rough cut edges and some black spray paint and volia. You get a sight that is fully adjustable and it should save you a few bucks!!!!!
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    I've thought about doing that with my carry handle.
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    Do you have a photo of something like that? I'm assuming it'll only work with a detachable carry handle, huh?
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    http://www.ar15.com/lite/topic.html?b=3&f=18&t=298610&page=3

    You could probably do it with an A1 carry handle, but I'm not sure why anyone would want to. You wouldn't be able to mount an optic on the reciever.
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    I figured that you'd need one of those kinds of optics instead of an Eotech or something similar that sits flat on the rail.


    I'm thinking that instead of buying a whole new rifle, I may just buy a flat-top upper for my carbine and get an Eotech for it. I checked one out at a gunshow a few weeks ago and saw just how cool it is IRL.
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    H-Cogs are the shit. I personally prefer them over A-Cogs.
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    Ok I give, whats an HCOG?
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