Petition to Reconsider Rep

It's a pity that "greased" can't have it's slang meaning in this case.

The owner doesn't like certain people and those certain people are also not liked by the rep whiners so they use their pull to convince him to do it.

We've seen Lanz mention many times just doing it to fuck with certain people.

What? Lanz doesn't not like anyone.

The biggest rep changes were, in order:

-Going from ABCA --> ABAB
-Increasing rep from 10 to 30 points
-Eliminating ABAB
-Increasing from 30 to 50.

All of things which gave people more freedom, not less.

And if rep points are meaningless, why take away the -1 option? Instead, we're not only going to this stupid situation, but we're also trying to hack the board and take apart the place to make everyone equal.

There's an analogy to be made here, but it's 11:20 at night in Japan as I type this, and I'm tired.

I can not respond to this and not get a warning.

Utterly stupid that they are going to also reset all rep scores.

Timmy disagrees: It hasn't been "the same game" for six years. Rep has gone through many many changes, this is just another change. I like it because I can quickly "disagree" with your post without hurting your feelings by taking away meaningless rep points.

Let's play spot the fallacy, people.

Actually, I hate you all. I only took over the board so that I could make you dance for my sick amusement.

That one's actually been requested several times, usually when there's a big rep brouhaha going on. Like now.

Rep has consistently been one of the most hacked in features for the board. As a matter of fact, it's one of the few things we've ever actually had to alter the PHP code for.

Does it look like my text failed to show up?

I know but usually offered as part of not changing rep.

Now you've changed rep AND you want to reset rep.

"It hasn't been "the same game" for six years."



Did I win?

For once, I admire Lanzman for taking a stand. I've always thought he was a useless figurehead of an admin who would cave into the demands of the rif-raf (us) when the going got tough. I guess I was wrong. Too bad this is a poor choice of a topic to take a stand on, and done because some people's feeling are hurt due to neg rep.

I also disagree that anything should be changed due to enough people complaining about it. This opens up a can of worms. Say, next year, we get a shit ton of pussified communists who join the board, and cry that since they get their feelings hurt, flaming or trolling shouldn't be allowed on this board, ever! This is put to a poll, where the sensitive pussies outnumber the rest of us 2-1 and now the "majority" of the board wants a neutered board.

What should the admin do? What would the admin do? I dunno, but I'll tell you what I would want *my* admin to do.

I would want them to tell these group of ass kissers and hippies that we come from a board from which the powers that be placed way too much importance on people's feelings. We come from a place where people didn't like certain opinions, and instead of finding the testicular fortitude to stand up for themselves, they ran to be coddled by the owners to get the rules changed. I'd tell 'em because some people couldn't stand the thought of being rejected by a certain segment of internet users, they whined hard for the admins to protect them from being trolled. Then I'd want *my* admin to tell 'em we don't play that game here. That we're a board full of misfits, jerkoffs, assholes, and out and out troublemakers who don't play nice with internet "society" and we came here because we don't really fit in anywhere else - but we can also be caring, philosophical, charitable, and even...nice, when we feel like it - but don't fuckin' make us. WE decide for ourselves whether we want to debate, discuss, troll, or flame. That THAT is our niche, THAT is our culture, and it's not going to change because of you. And if you want to find a board where the sole purpose is debating the issues in a friendly and civil matter, to get the fuck out of here, because in our home, you either tolerate the heat, or you stay in one of the more friendly rooms.

Then I'd hope that he'd kick this filthy, greasy, entitled, sensitive, self-serving communist faggot down the nearest sinkhole while yelling "HE'S DEAD, JIM!" then pulling down his pants and taking a shit into the sinkhole while the echoes of this moron's screams would ring throughout the internet lands, bringing more people like us to this wretched hive of scum and villainy. Then, with a flick of a switch, he'd reset rep to the way it was before, because he'd realize he just doesn't give a single flying fuck about people's feelings being hurt by little red squares and having their subsequent precious "points" taken away.

I'd want my admin to respect the culture of who we are, where we come from, and recognize we are different from other forums. And that difference is what gives us our strength, and that difference is what makes us unique.

$corp, you can't say we have our own unique culture.

Or you hate Mexicans.

And maybe that is exactly what is going on right now.

It's so ironic that the two sides can't seem to see that they are exactly the same even now.

You both whine and cry about meaningless red squares and points...just in different contexts.

Let that be your last battlefield, indeed.

Maybe I should ask, why exactly is it that most of you want the ability to neg people into the red? Is it because you dislike people and think they should be in the red? Or is it because you want to remove their ability to give reputation?

Because if it's the latter, well, you've just received a taste of your own medicine. If it's the former, I don't see a problem with it as long as people are able to give rep regardless of how negative or positive their reputation is.

Does the board not support such a feature? 'Cause I'd definitely be down for that.

As if people like TheLonelySquire and Liet don't deserve it.

Oh please. The only remote similarity is that both sides are whining about rep. The difference is that the side you're ignoring makes up the majority of this board as evidenced by numerous polls, and is arguing in favor of something that has effectively become a part of this board's culture. Meanwhile, the side that you're actually listening to is made up of people who continually whine about how horrible this place is, though they refuse to leave, apparently bent on the idea that they might somehow change the board to resemble something that suits their own sensibilities -and in this instance they've actually succeed because the admins have bent over for a few vocal whiners.

This is how I would like rep to be:

Everybody, regardless of rep being turned on or off, or being max red, max green, etc. should be able to "agrees" or disagrees" with a post.

If you do not want to participate in this game, you can still agree or disagree with a post, but it won't affect anyone's score.

The people who have rep turned on, have decided to participate in the rep games. These rep games are based on points. +1 for an agrees and -1 for a disagrees. If you participate in this rep game, and someone drops you into the red, you can still agree or disagree, but you will not affect the score of others.

For those who participate in these games, repping anywhere is allowed, which means neg rep can be given in the other rooms besides red and grey. However, obviously, it can't be accompanied by trolling or flaming comments in the friendly rooms.

Rep duals are allowed, but they must make 50 posts for their rep to "count". They can make them in the green room or media central, but of course, if they are found to be a rep dual, they can be hunted down by their enemies and eliminated.

This way, it lets people who want to participate in the rep games be able to participate, and those who do not wish to do so, can turn their reputation off.

Rep should be a game, the way it was always intended, and not pussified the way it is now. Some of it I blame on Lanzman, but for the most part, I think it's just a matter of the software not allowing us to do exactly what we want it to. Obviously, a lot of people liked it the old way better, but in some ways, it was unfair to those who didn't want to participate not being able to put an "agrees" or "disagrees" but could only "comment".

Also, we should be able to use our points and build ourselves a rep bomb.

Why is it so difficult for some posters to understand that turning rep off does not affect the ability to give rep?

I've given up trying to answer that question.

People at Wordforge have swiss cheese memories. They learn something and then 6 months later that memory falls into a hole never to be remembered again.

Most of what Scorp wants simply can't be done and frankly all together is just a bigger mess that means nothing.

Rep is not and was never meant to be a game. Just because some people made one out of it doesn't mean that was the intent.

This supposed grand importance of being able to take something away from people escapes me. Supposedly the world would end if people couldn't neg rep...the board would be over-run with uncontrollable undesireables and poor helpless folks would cower in fear without the power of rep war.

Hmm. Seems like nothing has changed a bit. All is the same except the names of the the complainers has changed. Note that...anti-rep side as well...nothing has really changed. No rep warrior has stopped being an asshole. Trolling is the same. Attitudes are the same. So what is the difference between having rep that counts and rep that doesn't?

Both sides bitch and moan for nothing. Look around...same old Wordforge.

Think about it.

And not only have you apparently not actually read anything that I or others have said on the matter, but now you're arguing from absurdity.

So you're upset that you no longer have the ability to negrep people, and you're okay with the idea that you or a few others should be able to make it so that others can't negrep or posrep other people. You seem to be unconcerned with, or incapable of understanding, the fact that you've been subjecting people to the same thing that you're now experiencing. Except now the treatment is equally applied, instead of being subject to the whims of whatever rep clique is in force.

Put simply, given that you don't care about the ability of other people to use rep, why should I care about your ability to use rep?

You don't like being "rep deprived" so why should you be able to do that to other people on a whim?

I mean, they are pussies for complaining about it when you take it away from them....but you are on a righteous crusade when you complain about the very same circumstance being applied to you.

Talk about absurdity.

God that's fucking pathetic.

If someone gets negged here, for the most part they deserve it. In any case, that's simply part of being part of the board here. You know, that thing you're just ignoring whenever someone brings it up.

As far as what makes them a bunch of pussies, yeah, whining because someone negs them is just pathetic. If someone can't take the heat, they should stay out of the red room.

As for what makes me and the others different for complaining about you and the others bowing to pressure from a few vocal complainers, I already explained that up thread. You know, that thing you keep ignoring.