SARS II: Respiratory Boogaloo

Order2Chaos · Apr 27, 2021

Does he think we give the rubella vaccine to children to protect *children*? Christ, what an idiot.

Tuckerfan · Apr 27, 2021

Good Christ almighty.

India Could Have Up to 500 Million Covid-19 Cases, Experts Believe

Official Indian government figures, not exactly rosy themselves, appear to be massively understating the scale of the covid-19 pandemic ravaging the country.

Indian health authorities have reported more than 17.6 million cases, but some health researchers suspect the real tally could be dozens of times larger—perhaps even over half a billion, CNN reports. Testing capacity in the country of around 1.4 billion remains grossly insufficient, with close to just 2 million tests being processed per day. World Health Organization chief scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan told the network India’s nationwide positivity rate is around 15% and up to 30% in cities like Delhi, indicating a staggering number of cases left out of the official count—either because the infected individuals in question are asymptomatic, poor, or cannot access testing. Swaminathan added to CNN that prior serology surveys in other countries have indicated infection rates “at least 20 to 30 times higher than what had been reported,” meaning that India could have experienced up to 529 million cases so far.

Ample evidence exists elsewhere that the official government tally, now at 300,000 cases a day, is nowhere close to capturing the full extent of the crisis. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the leader of the ultra-right Bharatiya Janata Party, has regularly downplayed the virus and has instead seemed more interested in suppressing criticism on social media sites. Meanwhile, the Indian medical system has collapsed, with shortages of personnel and virtually all supplies and equipment. Indian hospitals are reportedly turning away the sick by the hundreds due to lack of beds or oxygen. The sheer number of dead is overwhelming crematories in New Delhi and other cities, where massive funeral pyres have been operating 24 hours a day.

“In Delhi, at least 3,000 people went to funerals in the last week,” Max Rodenbeck, the chief of The Economist’s South Asia bureau, said on Monday, per CNN. “There is one crematorium in Delhi, which is a big land in the park, and (it is) building 100 new funeral pyres... This, is again, in India’s biggest city with the most attention. What happens beyond Delhi is pretty awful.”

Community medicine specialist Dr. Hemant Shewade told CNN that even before the pandemic, just 86% of deaths were estimated to have been officially tallied by the government, while only 22% of the registered ones were given an official cause of death. Many deaths involving the novel coronavirus are likely being recorded as arising from other causes or not being attributed at all. According to the New York Times, officials in the city of Bhopal reported just 41 deaths related to covid-19 in mid-April, but the city’s “main covid-19 cremation and burial grounds” reported 1,000 deaths over the same period. Similar undercounting has been reported in Lucknow, Mirzapur, and Gujarat. Dr. G.C. Gautam, a Bhopal-based cardiologist, told the paper, “Many deaths are not getting recorded and they are increasing every day. ... They [government officials] don’t want to create panic.”

“We will know only later how many was really the number of people infected,” Swaminathan told CNN on Monday.

Rupal Thakkar, 48, died in a private hospital in Ahmedabad in mid-April after her oxygen levels plummeted. Her brother, Dipan Thakkar, told the Times her death was recorded as due to “sudden cardiac death” and that “it was a lifetime shock. Why would a private hospital connive with the government in hiding the real death numbers? It was an organized crime. It was an illegal act.”

Much of the tragedy in India is believed to be due to a newer variant of the coronavirus known as B.1.617. It has numerous mutations, some of which may make it more contagious than the original strain. Existing vaccines for covid-19 appear to be effective against it. But despite India’s status as a pharmaceutical powerhouse that makes about 60% of the world’s vaccines, over 90% of the population has yet to get a single shot. President Joe Biden’s administration told Modi’s on Monday that the U.S. will send India “oxygen-related supplies, vaccine materials and therapeutics,” and on Sunday it announced it would share 60 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine with the rest of the world (many bound for India). While public health experts attribute part of the botched rollout to complacency after the pandemic in India appeared to be winding down in September 2020, according to PBS, the country is running critically low on supplies to vaccinate its own population after producers signed so many export contracts.

Swaminathan told PBS that India is currently vaccinating about 2 million people per day, but the rate should be at 6 million to 7 million, and India “needs to be increasing manufacturing capacity several fold.” Investment bank UBS estimates that at the current pace just a quarter of India’s population will receive the vaccine by the end of 2021, according to the Wall Street Journal, and some private hospitals may price the vaccine at $10-$32 a dose, well outside the resources of many low-income families.

“If we had more accurate data in terms of cases, infections, as well as deaths, then, of course, we’ll be much more prepared and also anticipate the healthcare resource needs,” University of Michigan biostatistics and epidemiology professor Bhramar Mukherjee told CNN. “[Faulty data] does not really change the truth. It only makes it worse for policymakers to anticipate the needs.”
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That's basically the population of North America to give you some idea.

Steal Your Face · Apr 27, 2021

Tuckerfan said: ↑

Good Christ almighty.

India Could Have Up to 500 Million Covid-19 Cases, Experts Believe

Official Indian government figures, not exactly rosy themselves, appear to be massively understating the scale of the covid-19 pandemic ravaging the country.

Indian health authorities have reported more than 17.6 million cases, but some health researchers suspect the real tally could be dozens of times larger—perhaps even over half a billion, CNN reports. Testing capacity in the country of around 1.4 billion remains grossly insufficient, with close to just 2 million tests being processed per day. World Health Organization chief scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan told the network India’s nationwide positivity rate is around 15% and up to 30% in cities like Delhi, indicating a staggering number of cases left out of the official count—either because the infected individuals in question are asymptomatic, poor, or cannot access testing. Swaminathan added to CNN that prior serology surveys in other countries have indicated infection rates “at least 20 to 30 times higher than what had been reported,” meaning that India could have experienced up to 529 million cases so far.

Ample evidence exists elsewhere that the official government tally, now at 300,000 cases a day, is nowhere close to capturing the full extent of the crisis. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the leader of the ultra-right Bharatiya Janata Party, has regularly downplayed the virus and has instead seemed more interested in suppressing criticism on social media sites. Meanwhile, the Indian medical system has collapsed, with shortages of personnel and virtually all supplies and equipment. Indian hospitals are reportedly turning away the sick by the hundreds due to lack of beds or oxygen. The sheer number of dead is overwhelming crematories in New Delhi and other cities, where massive funeral pyres have been operating 24 hours a day.

“In Delhi, at least 3,000 people went to funerals in the last week,” Max Rodenbeck, the chief of The Economist’s South Asia bureau, said on Monday, per CNN. “There is one crematorium in Delhi, which is a big land in the park, and (it is) building 100 new funeral pyres... This, is again, in India’s biggest city with the most attention. What happens beyond Delhi is pretty awful.”

Community medicine specialist Dr. Hemant Shewade told CNN that even before the pandemic, just 86% of deaths were estimated to have been officially tallied by the government, while only 22% of the registered ones were given an official cause of death. Many deaths involving the novel coronavirus are likely being recorded as arising from other causes or not being attributed at all. According to the New York Times, officials in the city of Bhopal reported just 41 deaths related to covid-19 in mid-April, but the city’s “main covid-19 cremation and burial grounds” reported 1,000 deaths over the same period. Similar undercounting has been reported in Lucknow, Mirzapur, and Gujarat. Dr. G.C. Gautam, a Bhopal-based cardiologist, told the paper, “Many deaths are not getting recorded and they are increasing every day. ... They [government officials] don’t want to create panic.”

“We will know only later how many was really the number of people infected,” Swaminathan told CNN on Monday.

Rupal Thakkar, 48, died in a private hospital in Ahmedabad in mid-April after her oxygen levels plummeted. Her brother, Dipan Thakkar, told the Times her death was recorded as due to “sudden cardiac death” and that “it was a lifetime shock. Why would a private hospital connive with the government in hiding the real death numbers? It was an organized crime. It was an illegal act.”

Much of the tragedy in India is believed to be due to a newer variant of the coronavirus known as B.1.617. It has numerous mutations, some of which may make it more contagious than the original strain. Existing vaccines for covid-19 appear to be effective against it. But despite India’s status as a pharmaceutical powerhouse that makes about 60% of the world’s vaccines, over 90% of the population has yet to get a single shot. President Joe Biden’s administration told Modi’s on Monday that the U.S. will send India “oxygen-related supplies, vaccine materials and therapeutics,” and on Sunday it announced it would share 60 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine with the rest of the world (many bound for India). While public health experts attribute part of the botched rollout to complacency after the pandemic in India appeared to be winding down in September 2020, according to PBS, the country is running critically low on supplies to vaccinate its own population after producers signed so many export contracts.

Swaminathan told PBS that India is currently vaccinating about 2 million people per day, but the rate should be at 6 million to 7 million, and India “needs to be increasing manufacturing capacity several fold.” Investment bank UBS estimates that at the current pace just a quarter of India’s population will receive the vaccine by the end of 2021, according to the Wall Street Journal, and some private hospitals may price the vaccine at $10-$32 a dose, well outside the resources of many low-income families.

“If we had more accurate data in terms of cases, infections, as well as deaths, then, of course, we’ll be much more prepared and also anticipate the healthcare resource needs,” University of Michigan biostatistics and epidemiology professor Bhramar Mukherjee told CNN. “[Faulty data] does not really change the truth. It only makes it worse for policymakers to anticipate the needs.”
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That's basically the population of North America to give you some idea.
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I heard Biden sent them the AZ vaccine, hopefully the rest of the world will pitch in too to help them.

Steal Your Face · Apr 27, 2021

I've been hearing Joe say this for a while now. This is very disappointing to hear. He's basically got the largest audience in podcasting, this is irresponsible as fuck.

MikeH92467 · Apr 27, 2021

Obiwan-Can-Blow-Me said: ↑

I've been hearing Joe say this for a while now. This is very disappointing to hear. He's basically got the largest audience in podcasting, this is irresponsible as fuck.
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I'm not disappointed at all. It just confirms my opinion that the guy is a douchebag.

The Original Faceman · Apr 28, 2021

Obiwan-Can-Blow-Me said: ↑

Tuckerfan said: ↑

Good Christ almighty.

India Could Have Up to 500 Million Covid-19 Cases, Experts Believe

Official Indian government figures, not exactly rosy themselves, appear to be massively understating the scale of the covid-19 pandemic ravaging the country.

Indian health authorities have reported more than 17.6 million cases, but some health researchers suspect the real tally could be dozens of times larger—perhaps even over half a billion, CNN reports. Testing capacity in the country of around 1.4 billion remains grossly insufficient, with close to just 2 million tests being processed per day. World Health Organization chief scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan told the network India’s nationwide positivity rate is around 15% and up to 30% in cities like Delhi, indicating a staggering number of cases left out of the official count—either because the infected individuals in question are asymptomatic, poor, or cannot access testing. Swaminathan added to CNN that prior serology surveys in other countries have indicated infection rates “at least 20 to 30 times higher than what had been reported,” meaning that India could have experienced up to 529 million cases so far.

Ample evidence exists elsewhere that the official government tally, now at 300,000 cases a day, is nowhere close to capturing the full extent of the crisis. Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the leader of the ultra-right Bharatiya Janata Party, has regularly downplayed the virus and has instead seemed more interested in suppressing criticism on social media sites. Meanwhile, the Indian medical system has collapsed, with shortages of personnel and virtually all supplies and equipment. Indian hospitals are reportedly turning away the sick by the hundreds due to lack of beds or oxygen. The sheer number of dead is overwhelming crematories in New Delhi and other cities, where massive funeral pyres have been operating 24 hours a day.

“In Delhi, at least 3,000 people went to funerals in the last week,” Max Rodenbeck, the chief of The Economist’s South Asia bureau, said on Monday, per CNN. “There is one crematorium in Delhi, which is a big land in the park, and (it is) building 100 new funeral pyres... This, is again, in India’s biggest city with the most attention. What happens beyond Delhi is pretty awful.”

Community medicine specialist Dr. Hemant Shewade told CNN that even before the pandemic, just 86% of deaths were estimated to have been officially tallied by the government, while only 22% of the registered ones were given an official cause of death. Many deaths involving the novel coronavirus are likely being recorded as arising from other causes or not being attributed at all. According to the New York Times, officials in the city of Bhopal reported just 41 deaths related to covid-19 in mid-April, but the city’s “main covid-19 cremation and burial grounds” reported 1,000 deaths over the same period. Similar undercounting has been reported in Lucknow, Mirzapur, and Gujarat. Dr. G.C. Gautam, a Bhopal-based cardiologist, told the paper, “Many deaths are not getting recorded and they are increasing every day. ... They [government officials] don’t want to create panic.”

“We will know only later how many was really the number of people infected,” Swaminathan told CNN on Monday.

Rupal Thakkar, 48, died in a private hospital in Ahmedabad in mid-April after her oxygen levels plummeted. Her brother, Dipan Thakkar, told the Times her death was recorded as due to “sudden cardiac death” and that “it was a lifetime shock. Why would a private hospital connive with the government in hiding the real death numbers? It was an organized crime. It was an illegal act.”

Much of the tragedy in India is believed to be due to a newer variant of the coronavirus known as B.1.617. It has numerous mutations, some of which may make it more contagious than the original strain. Existing vaccines for covid-19 appear to be effective against it. But despite India’s status as a pharmaceutical powerhouse that makes about 60% of the world’s vaccines, over 90% of the population has yet to get a single shot. President Joe Biden’s administration told Modi’s on Monday that the U.S. will send India “oxygen-related supplies, vaccine materials and therapeutics,” and on Sunday it announced it would share 60 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine with the rest of the world (many bound for India). While public health experts attribute part of the botched rollout to complacency after the pandemic in India appeared to be winding down in September 2020, according to PBS, the country is running critically low on supplies to vaccinate its own population after producers signed so many export contracts.

Swaminathan told PBS that India is currently vaccinating about 2 million people per day, but the rate should be at 6 million to 7 million, and India “needs to be increasing manufacturing capacity several fold.” Investment bank UBS estimates that at the current pace just a quarter of India’s population will receive the vaccine by the end of 2021, according to the Wall Street Journal, and some private hospitals may price the vaccine at $10-$32 a dose, well outside the resources of many low-income families.

“If we had more accurate data in terms of cases, infections, as well as deaths, then, of course, we’ll be much more prepared and also anticipate the healthcare resource needs,” University of Michigan biostatistics and epidemiology professor Bhramar Mukherjee told CNN. “[Faulty data] does not really change the truth. It only makes it worse for policymakers to anticipate the needs.”
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That's basically the population of North America to give you some idea.
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I heard Biden sent them the AZ vaccine, hopefully the rest of the world will pitch in too to help them.
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Why? It looks like they’ve reached immunity without vaccines!

Demiurge · Apr 28, 2021

Obiwan-Can-Blow-Me said: ↑

I've been hearing Joe say this for a while now. This is very disappointing to hear. He's basically got the largest audience in podcasting, this is irresponsible as fuck.
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Especially considering the most recent variant is far more dangerous to younger people.

matthunter · Apr 28, 2021

Faceman said: ↑

Why? It looks like they’ve reached immunity without vaccines!
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I know you're kidding, but seriously, nope. Herd immunity needs about 80% of the population to have caught it. 500 million is nowhere near 80% of India's population (1.37 billion).

Asyncritus · Apr 28, 2021

This seems like as good a place as any for this story:

Private Florida school won't employ vaccinated teachers

A private school founded by an anti-vaccination activist in South Florida has warned teachers and staff against taking the COVID-19 vaccine, saying it will not employ anyone who has received the shot.The Centner Academy in Miami sent a notice to parents on Monday informing them of a new policy for its two campuses for about 300 students from pre-kindergarten through eighth grade. Teachers or staff who have already taken the vaccine were told to continue reporting to school but to stay separated from students.

Centner stood by the decision Tuesday in a statement sent to The Associated Press, which featured the biologically impossible claim that unvaccinated women have experienced miscarriages and other reproductive problems just by standing in proximity to vaccinated people.
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More at the link

I can't believe it. This is a school! What kind of "education" can you get at a place like that? Just when you think that Trump supporters (yes, Trump supporters — from the story: “We did not follow any of the tyrannic measures that were in place. I did not force our kids to wear a mask,” Centner said while attending a “Health and Freedom” rally for a Republican candidate that featured supporters of former President Donald Trump and critics of public health restrictions in Tulsa, Oklahoma.) can't get any stupider, they manage to outdo themselves.

"Unvaccinated women have experienced miscarriages just by standing in proximity to vaccinated people." ^1000. Any student who attends a school like that is actually moving backwards on the education scale, and any parents who put their kids in a school like that should be prosecuted for child abuse.

RickDeckard · Apr 28, 2021

Something needs to be done to cancel or defer vaccine patents so that third world countries are able to produce them and don't have to wait three years while the rich sort themselves out first.

This current situation is a disgrace, and apart from anything else is going to lead to additional variants coming into circulation, ones which may be better at evading the immune response.

Asyncritus · Apr 28, 2021

RickDeckard said: ↑

This current situation is a disgrace, and apart from anything else is going to lead to additional variants coming into circulation, ones which may be better at evading the immune response.
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Rich Western countries should do everything in their power, strictly out of humanitarian concerns, to speed the eridication of Covid on a worldwide level. But even if pure unbridled selfishness (also known as unrestricted capitalism and/or libertarianism) trumps humanitarian concerns, it is imperitive to restrain Covid as much as possible, because of those variants you measure.

Otherwise it's going to hit us again and again, as vaccine-resistant strains evolve. And sooner or late, one of those strains might combine the asymptomatic infectiousness of Covid with the mortality rate of MERS (both of them coronaviruses). And if that ever happens, the result will be disaster on an unprecedented scale. Western countries should pour at least as much money and effort into worldwide vaccination efforts as we ever put into wars. (For that matter, we actually could do without most of the wars...)

Unfortunately, people are not known for intelligent reasoning that takes long-term effects into account, and that is as true in the West as anywhere else.

steve2^4 · Apr 28, 2021

Rich western countries should do everything in their power to help poorer countries strictly out of concern for self preservation.

The mutations out of India are troubling. I heard in the outhouse they may be vaccine resistant.

We Are Borg · Apr 28, 2021

Obiwan-Can-Blow-Me said: ↑

I've been hearing Joe say this for a while now. This is very disappointing to hear. He's basically got the largest audience in podcasting, this is irresponsible as fuck.
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But you're still listening to him.

shootER · Apr 28, 2021

Mass funeral pyres reflect India's COVID crisis

Ten Lubak · Apr 28, 2021

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Mass funeral pyres reflect India's COVID crisis
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Jesus that's a sad article. I don't even want my vaccine any more, just send it over to India

oldfella1962 · Apr 28, 2021

"Unvaccinated women have experienced miscarriages just by standing in proximity to vaccinated people."

hmmm.....and the science behind this claim is what, exactly?

MikeH92467 · Apr 28, 2021

oldfella1962 said: ↑

"Unvaccinated women have experienced miscarriages just by standing in proximity to vaccinated people."

hmmm.....and the science behind this claim is what, exactly?
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A lot of people are saying...

Ancalagon · Apr 28, 2021

oldfella1962 · Apr 28, 2021

a tracking device? You know how expensive that would be? At least try to be fiscally responsible.

tafkats · Apr 28, 2021

MikeH92467 said: ↑

oldfella1962 said: ↑

"Unvaccinated women have experienced miscarriages just by standing in proximity to vaccinated people."

hmmm.....and the science behind this claim is what, exactly?
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A lot of people are saying...
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It's an "alternative fact."

Steal Your Face · Apr 28, 2021

Of course it does.

Tererune · Apr 28, 2021

MikeH92467 said: ↑

oldfella1962 said: ↑

"Unvaccinated women have experienced miscarriages just by standing in proximity to vaccinated people."

hmmm.....and the science behind this claim is what, exactly?
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A lot of people are saying...
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First, if you are really worried about something like this happening you could wear a fucking mask. Fucking CHUDs.

This is just the next step in propaganda. You have to have some reason for the anti-vaxxers to attack other people for getting the vaccine. Me getting the vaccine does not effect anyone, so how do you get those anti-vaxxers to think I am poisoning them? You just make up shit that I am killing other people's babies by getting the vaccine and bingo the CHUDs have a reason to attack vaccination centers like they do abortion clinics.

The right is just trying to start some shit that is going to end with me answering the question of how many golf clubs can I ram up and old white dude's ass.

14thDoctor · Apr 28, 2021

RickDeckard said: ↑

Something needs to be done to cancel or defer vaccine patents so that third world countries are able to produce them and don't have to wait three years while the rich sort themselves out first.

This current situation is a disgrace, and apart from anything else is going to lead to additional variants coming into circulation, ones which may be better at evading the immune response.
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I'm honestly surprised and disappointed that some company in China or India hasn't already started cranking out a bootleg version of any or all of the vaccines.

steve2^4 said: ↑

Rich western countries should do everything in their power to help poorer countries strictly out of concern for self preservation.

The mutations out of India are troubling. I heard in the outhouse they may be vaccine resistant.
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I'm sure the history books will have no trouble pointing out over and over that things ended up so much worse than they had to be because the rich were so hesitant to help the poor, even to benefit themselves in the long run.

Tererune · Apr 28, 2021

They need to bring this sign in with them for every republican Qtard.

just giving it a response aside from pure mockery and insult is giving too much credit to the republican party.

Forbin · Apr 28, 2021

No, but your fucking PHONE does, genius.

14thDoctor · Apr 29, 2021

Ten days later, that first Moderna shot is the gift that keeps on giving. Specifically, giving me a weird hot arm lump.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-arm-rash-moderna

Tererune · Apr 29, 2021

I get the shot in a few hours, but I already had a strange dream where I felt like complete crap and could barely move after getting the shot. It is not like it is really on my mind. I think it was more like an excuse my mind had for being lazy in a dream. It does not want to get out of the dream, bnut it also does not want to do any creative dreaming so it sort of makes me a big heavy ooozy mess. I get those dreams every so often.

Asyncritus · Apr 29, 2021

oldfella1962 said: ↑

"Unvaccinated women have experienced miscarriages just by standing in proximity to vaccinated people."

hmmm.....and the science behind this claim is what, exactly?
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The same as the science behind "Donald Trump won the election" and "The pandemic will magically go away all by itself after the election".

Tuckerfan · Apr 29, 2021

matthunter · Apr 29, 2021

14thDoctor said: ↑

Ten days later, that first Moderna shot is the gift that keeps on giving. Specifically, giving me a weird hot arm lump.

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-arm-rash-moderna
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