So that "Gun Appreciation Day"...

I thought we were talking about mass shootings with assault weapons.

But anything to change the subject, eh Flow?

We already know that handguns won't be banned or even licensed.

Oh, you want to talk statistics? Who has more of a chance of being shot, a school kid in Chicago, or a any school kid in any school across the country?

If you cared so much about the children, you'd be trying to solve the riddle of America's murder capitals, rather than telling me I shouldn't be allowed to own certain objects.

My, what a clumsy dodge. And yet you're still a liar.

My, what a clumsy dodge. But not out of character for you.

Say it again.

Sir there is no problem in either city. The media would have had a field day blaming the Republican administrations of both cities for the lack of action (because of racism) in the hundreds of dead black people per year if what you said was true.

Oh wait.....

You mean Republicans don't run either city and hundreds of people are murdered per year?

I am thinking that gun appreciation day will come in the 2014 election when the reckoning comes for those bastards who stood against the 2nd. Those that vote for a ban won't get re-elected around here.

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

NM Teen Planned to Keep Shooting, Head to Walmart

Soooooooo . . . none of the proposed gun control measures would have stopped this kid, in other words. Hmmmm.

It's possible he never expressed a homicidal thought before. Or it's possible that he did, and everyone just patted him on the head and told him to take a cold shower. Or it's possible he was assessed and his parents were advised to get him help, but they decided to pray over him instead. Or maybe they wanted to get him help, but Daddy's preacher job didn't offer health insurance.

We can also ask why the guns in the house weren't secured and, using Zombie's suggestion, give his father a stiff jail sentence for leaving them out in the open. Oh, wait.

The father did get a stiff sentence.

That's assuming of course the father and mother knew before hand the kid was having problems. If they knew he was having suicidal and homicidal thoughts and didn't even take the simple precaution of locking the guns away then they earned their deaths.

But he took out his three younger siblings as well.

The real issue is prevention. Obviously there's no way to predict and/or prevent every single case. But it's hard to even get the conversation started against all the background noise.

The fact you are allowed to own certain objects is a large part of the riddle.

You can lie to yourself all you want, but other 1st world countries have nothing like the level of homicide we have.

So ban all guns? Nope, and there's a good reason for that.

Ban handguns - probably would do the best for actually stopping the violence, but unless you overturn the 2nd amendment that isn't going to happen. And because that would open the way to banning all guns, I don't support that.

Ban some guns that are particularly suited for shooting up a school, while allowing handguns, most rifles and shotguns? Seems like a pretty good compromise to me.

But yeah, we'll continue to have massive levels of gun violence because of the 2nd amendment. That and we don't have a strong social safety net and we don't have a strong health care system, so more people are likely to go nuts.

This concept that you can do anything if you can't fix everything is exceptionally juvenile.

I'd point you to the stats, but the NRA really doesn't want people to know those, and they've managed to get our ability to have info blocked.

Stop lying you bitch. You damn well know you want to ban everything.

Grow a pair, man up and just admit it.

And here we have a well thought out, moderate list of suggestions, to which the response is:

Xtreme Gunforge: Doing more for gun grabbers than Dianne Feinstein since at least 2003...

Yep.

Just like the NRA did when they supported banning shotguns with pistol grips in 1934, or when they supported the gun control act of 1968.

I'm the NRA. I support banning all guns.

Moron.

Wait a minute. Where in the hell did you get this nonsense about the NRA supporting the gun control act of 1968 (aka the Knee-Jerk Over Reaction Bill of 1968)?

I've got to see this.

The National Firearms act didn't ban shotguns with pistol grips, it banned Short Barreled (aka "sawed off") Shotguns. You can get a pistol gripped shotgun at a WalMart. They certainly aren't banned.

The "pistol grip" part was just for classification purposes. A sawed off shotgun with a shoulder stock was classified as a "SBS" or Short Barreled Shotgun. A sawed off shotgun with a pistol grip, but without a shoulder stock was classified as "AOW" or "Any Other Weapon" since it would basically be a smooth bored pistol.

It's like Demi is trolling by getting details wrong on purpose. :|

You never learn.

You never learn. But that's a not unexpected part of the symptomatology.

Why not? These discussions are usually filled with assumptions without basis.

It just shows how hypocritical certain people are. But then, we already knew that.