Star Trek Returns to TV

Same here. A horrible movie that I watch every time I see it on the teevee.

I wouldn't know. Haven't see that film more than once I think.

I'm also in the obscure club of Dune '84 lovers. Does everybody know the secret handshake?

A few minor details.
http://trekmovie.com/2016/06/23/sta...uller-reveals-new-details-on-upcoming-series/

The only thing of interest is that CBS has set some guidelines on episode length.

Which once again says to me that if it seems to be a big hit CBS will add it to its regular network offering.

I think it means the show will be fifty minuses rather than forty. Plus the confirmation that it will be a single story arc also seems to confirm that it will be an anthology series.

How does "single story arc" manage to "confirm" that it will be an anthology series?

Indeed. StarGate SG:1 had a single story arc pretty much through yet certainly wasn't an anthology series. For that matter Babylon 5.

I was thinking about True Detective with the single story arc rather than traditional Star Trek with each episode being a separate story. Also there have been other clues.

It is my understanding that what you suggest about a "single story arc" and an "anthology series" would be something like a Star Trek series where you had two episodes focusing on a ship fighting in the Earth/Romulan War. Then you have another two episodes about an entirely different ship and crew fighting in the Earth/Romulan War and so on. You get the idea.

From what I've heard, this is not what has been suggested for this series.

No, what I mean and what I'm hoping is there's a season long story arc. The best recent example would be The People vs O. J. Simpson with the entire season dedicated to the story of the trial. Then the next season would focus on a completely different trial/story. If you apply that to Star Trek, you can visit any timeline and you wouldn't alienate fans.

So, if the rumors are true, you could have one season just about the Khitimor accords and possibly the Romulan attack (which I think would be awesome), then you could move on to TNG or TOS timeline in subsequent seasons. They could even do like American Horror Story and visit a couple of different timelines in the season and show how things in the past effect the future and the could still connect each season in small ways like American Horror Story does.

A single story arc is a story that takes up the entirety of the 13 episode season. And then an anthology series would have a new crew and ship and time setting for the next season with its own story arc that has nothing to do with the first season, generally speaking.

An anthology series has a lot of potential. Think of the places where we can revisit without the investment of building a whole multi season show around it.

You beat me by a few seconds, but yeah. I don't know if you watch American Horror Story, but like I said in my last post, you could visit two different timelines and you could interconnect each season.

Yeah American Horror Story was the first that comes to mind.

Despite what has been claimed, I don't see that happening.

Those kind of changes mean changes in casting and huge sunk cost items like sets from one season to the next. It drives up the sunk costs of a series several times over.

I think the whole "we'll do different times and settings each season" thing is just a ridiculous attempt to make all the fans happy from the beginning and hope they'll tune in to the series, like it and stay with it.

I'm wagering they'll do the "early 24th century" post Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country thing............and keep it there if the ratings are looking good.

There will probably be some announcement of how they "couldn't finish the story" in the first 13 episodes so they're going into the first full season and so on.

It will be the third season before fans are finally convinced this whole "different era every year" thing was a crock.

Well it can be done.

But hey lets just keep doing what we're doing. Put together a boring crew and a boring ship and send them off after an anomaly of the week

We can call it Voyager or Enterprise or something nifty.

True Detective changes casts every year, however American Horror Story has kept a lot of the same cast each year and the change settings each year. Seems to work out fine for them just fine.

No shit. From the Fuller interview, it seems like he's got a specific that hopefully wont involve the forehead of the week.

Most fans seem to believe that both Voyager and Enterprise were good concepts let down by bad writing.

Whereas DS9 was an average concept at best elevated by often inspired writing.

Bottom Line:

Good writing can elevate an average concept to a high level.

But a great concept can't overcome bad writing.

VOY And ENT are 90s television. Their time has come and gone. Even with good writing the episodic concept is a thing of the past. That's why ds9 excelled and storytelling and the others fail.

Deep Space Nine was overrated (though very good in the 4th, 5th, & 6th seasons).

But Enterprise had story arcs as ambitious as any on DS9 and that didn't make the series any good.

Enterprise had a story arc that never really got resolved, but @Faceman is right, that type of story telling is over. Also, DS9 was way better than Voyager and Enterprise and I liked Enterprise.

Here's the bits from the Collider interview that jumped out at me:

well that might be cool...maybe...

which is the same weekend that Beyond comes out so it kinda makes sense - in a month we'll know some stuff.

Sure does line up with that Angela Basset stuff they spoke of before.

I like this



and from MovieFone

well....that gave me a sort of comfort zone but...okay, I trust the folks in charge...

This could be really excellent. Being able to move around from ship to ship (to station) as the interact around a common through line. Perhaps something similar to the way the framed "The Expanse" in season one.

Of course DS9 was way better than Voyager (even if DS9 is overrated). I used to help my parents clean out the broiler houses. Shoveling chicken litter in 90 degree heat in the summer and subfreezing temps in the winter.

And I can say truthfully I enjoyed that more than most Voyager episodes.

But why either you or faceman think episodic television is over is beyond me.

I thought the "Angele Basset stuff" was a complete wordforge "invention/speculation".

At least I hope it was.

I think they mean that SOLELY episodic tv is over. Even NCIS and Castle carried on an underlying storyline, more than one, in the background.

You can do overarhing stories where there's one overall plot, and that's what is the rage now, or you can do something like Person of Interest did so very well: have a well drawn out overall story that affects or is affected by the events of every individual episode, but also most individual episodes have their own "immediate" story that is self contained to the episode...or you can have a Law & Order type show with very little carryover and stories which stand alone. But the latter seems out of favor in anything other than procedurals.

no, Fuller or one of the other creators specifically said something about her. The quote is contained in this article, wherein she says her schedule wouldn't allow it
http://screencrush.com/star-trek-angela-bassett-american-horror-story/

Angela Basset is set to return to American Horror story in the fall, so no.

Thank goodness.

I hate to break it to you, but they're not going to to cast a white male as captain and likely to have a gay character as well.