The Death of Ahmaud Arbery

As the trial starts and more info comes out what do you think will be revealed about the innocent flower just out for a jog and murdered by two hillbillies?
I know I know. All white people are racist murdering filth and they shot this guy for jogging. But usually when the American media and racial activists get this hysterical something comes out that throws doubt on the tale and convinced whites that they are being persecuted.

I never pass up the chance to look in a home being renovated or built. Usually the doors are open or missing.

The builder does this to generate interest.

Was it necessary to start another thread on this topic?

this is a thread about lies the media tells and false narratives Democrats use in election campaigns. I don’t deny those hillbillies murdered a guy but the mayor of Atlanta says they murdered him because Trump and wants a race riot.

Again, you could have kept that in the other thread.

You miss my point by the "so what" comment. Him visiting the construction site is so inconsequential that it doesn't deserve mention as a justification for their actions. There's no reason for them to consider such activities as suspicious since it is common human behavior. The only reason why one would consider it suspicious is if there was something about Arbery that would make someone suspicious. In this case, we both know what it was: the color of his skin. Given that we know lots of people poke around construction sites to get a look at things, it's highly likely that other people did it as well, and there's certainly a good chance that the shooters witnessed such behavior. Yet they didn't bother to chase those people down. Wonder why?

Fat fingered on the iPhone.

agree! Granted does the average citizen know what type of crime is a misdemeanor versus a felony? Most likely not. I think most people would see somebody doing something shady (or seemingly shady) and call the cops. The cops might say "thanks for the info" or they might check it out, but either way there's a record of you contacting the police should your suspicions be confirmed. If you saw a by-god crime of any kind you could try the "citizens arrest" but you couldn't do shit if the suspect didn't comply. I can't even wrap my mind around trying a citizens arrest for somebody poking around an unfinished house - so even if the shooters had seen Arbery poking around chasing him down and displaying a firearm just for that would be insane IMHO. If you aren't a cop...don't do cop stuff, full stop.

Yep.

And just like that...merged.

the Democrats don't have anything solid to campaign on - so yes the largely Democrat controlled urban centers (Atlanta, Augusta, Savanna, Columbus, Macon) will of course play up the racial aspects of this murder. I just hope any racial outrage doesn't complicate matters and play right into the hands of the killer's legal defense. It has happened in the past! Cooler heads must prevail. The Democrats very vocal demands for "justice" often boomerang and undermine justice. Sad but true! ​

Everyone drop your buffs.

I find this comment bizarre. Maybe things are different in Georgia but here we have so many burglaries of houses under construction that it's basically unthinkable to just show up and walk around inside of a house under construction without someone suspecting you of being a thief.

How do you know that a person looking around a construction site isn't supposed to be there? How do you know that the person isn't the owner or someone with the construction company who just happened to be in the area and decided to check the place out because they had time to kill? You probably can't. If you were driving by a construction site and saw somebody casually looking around in the place, would your first thought be to call the police or to ask them what they were doing?

it depends on the neighborhood really, and the definition of "unfinished house". If it's an unfinished as in my picture below, yes people might walk around and check it out. Granted some types of construction equipment in the general vicinity of a neighborhood still under construction can indeed be stolen but usually only bulldozers, lumber and drywall in bulk, and semi-portable cement mixing machinery and whatnot gets stolen - but not by a single burglar on foot. Now unfinished houses that are nearly completed, with doors and windows and/or anything locked or secured? You better not poke around in those! That might get you busted for trespassing.

I wouldn't. If I saw kids poking around I might, because kids tend to start fires and cause similar mischief.

They also get on your lawn don't they?

EVEN IF he were up to no good, there was no threat to anyone, so armed citizens confronting him was not called for.

If the McMichaels found his activity suspicious, they should have reported it to the police.

(Again, Georgia law may allow for this, but that's a matter for the system to decide. If the law does, it should be changed.)

not since I buried some land mines!

Also good against bears I expect.

Since I've lived here in Georgia (2004 - present) and twice before in the 80's and 90's, they've never had an incident like this. Yes there have been PLENTY of armed citizens killing criminals breaking into their homes or trying to commit armed robbery and things of this nature that were very much justified and cut-and-dried.

I might say something about kids because they might drink in a shell of a house or get hurt. I would not be bothered with an adult jogging. You don't know who they are or why they are there. Unless the guy is there with a car and is really obvious about taking things. Even then it is not my house, not my business, and who the fuck knows what could happen if they were stealing stuff. I call the cops because I am not dying or taking a punch for some construction guys tools or materials. It is a house under construction so there is no reason for you to immediately go run the guy down with shotguns. I don't give a fuck if he is taking a hammer or some boards. Obviously he is not even doing that much if you see him jogging away with nothing.

These good old boys need to be in prison for a long time where they can learn about minding their fucking business from the inmates who will gladly educate those dumb ass white boys about poking their nose where it does not belong. I cannot wait for them to see some brown people smoking in the yard and go have a word with them. They will have plenty of time to get over their injuries in ad seg.

That you know of. Had you looked at the police report associated with this killing, it would have seemed to be above board. (Guy sees someone he thinks committed a burglary, he attempts to confront the perp, perp resists, the guy kills perp in self-defense.) The video, and other evidence, indicate that this wasn't the case. I'd be willing to bet money that every state out there has had killings like this, in the 21st Century, where if video were to surface, it would show that the killings weren't at all justified. And the victims wouldn't always be people of color. @Elwood in the past has mentioned that he thinks body cams are a very good idea because of some of the shady shit he saw go down when he was a cop.

One of our friends was going to build a house, and we went with him into unfinished construction sites countless times looking for ideas...and that was in Memphis.

Aside from that, from what I understand, the time stamp from the video showing the person going into the construction site doesn't match up with the police report of the shooting.

Even if he HAD taken something, they still shouldn't have confronted him. They are not law enforcement. Even security is told that their job is to observe and report. NOT confront. I don't know what is involved with purchasing of a gun,, but some of these gun owners need to have it drilled into them that a gun doesn't give them a badge or a license to act like Wyatt Earp.

that is true I guess - you never really know without a video or credible eyewitnesses. But the thing about body cameras is how many times do we hear "the camera wasn't turned on" or "the camera was malfunctioning" or "all of our officers can't have their cameras on all the time because we don't have enough memory storage for all the data". It always seems to be something whenever some serious
shit goes down"

"Even if he HAD taken something, they still shouldn't have confronted him. They are not law enforcement. Even security is told that their job is to observe and report. NOT confront. I don't know what is involved with purchasing of a gun,, but some of these gun owners need to have it drilled into them that a gun doesn't give them a badge or a license to act like Wyatt Earp." - T.R.

Everyone with a driver's license has the rules of the road drilled into them too. Then once they pass the test they disregard half of it. My point is knowing how you should behave with a gun and how some people actually behave are two different things.

I saw (but have not verified) that Georgia's citizen arrest law requires the person making the arrest to have witnessed or to have immediate knowledge of a felony being committed by the person arrested.

The McMichaels do not appear to have this knowledge by their own admission. Murder requires malice so I don't think that will stick, but, barring further evidence, they are almost certainly guilty of manslaughter.

Time stamps being off don't mean much. Equipment is often set up with wrong times. Not on purpose just people not doing it right. Their watches are wrong, they made a mistake or even that they forgot to set for daylight savings time. Also you have to realize that even if it's done right that doesn't mean the times of a particular incident will line up. Everyone has different times on their watches.

I often had to tell people complaining about time issues that I'm not wearing their watch. I'm wearing mine.

This is also why you see in a huge amount of police reports and even reports that I've written at work all say, "At approximately XXXX hours" or some other variation with the word approximate in it.

Now if the the day is off than you can question that. Usually the day is correct.

Also you can't trust anything the police have written up about this shooting. This is one situation where nothing from the local police department should be trusted.