The Twitter Files

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  1. Ancalagon

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  2. Diacanu

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    Aww! FF's favorite thing in the whole wide world is ruined! :itsokay:
    Maybe he'll walk away from this having learned the lesson to stop trusting right-wing conspiracy theories.
    Lol! :lol:
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  3. Steal Your Face

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    Well I guess if the liars lawyers said it, then it must be true. Never mind the fact that they coordinated on an almost daily basis and had set up offices inside of Twitter, but no they weren’t government tools. Suuuuuuure.:dayton:
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    Did you see my post in the other Twitter thread? I'll repost it here:

    Criticized for giving into governments’ censorship demands, Elon Musk on Sunday claimed that Twitter has “no actual choice” about complying those requests.

    Musk has faced blowback in recent weeks for appearing to cave to government censorship demands, including by removing some accounts and tweets at the behest of the government of Turkey ahead of the country’s elections (which the company later said it would attempt to fight in court). And in an interview with the BBC last month, Musk was asked about whether Twitter had removed a documentary about Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi at the request of the Indian government, and said he didn’t know “what exactly happened.”

    Bloomberg columnist Matthew Yglesias on Sunday tweeted an article suggesting that Twitter has complied with a majority of government takedown requests since Musk took over as the platform’s owner. Musk replied: “Please point out where we had an actual choice and we will reverse it.”

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/05/29/tech/elon-musk-twitter-government-takedown/index.html


    Where's Bill Carson and the Twitter Files now? :chris:
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  5. Steal Your Face

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    No I didn’t see that. I don’t care who’s doing it, it’s wrong.
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    Legally wrong, or morally/ethically wrong?
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    This is one of those situations like the CIA can’t spy on Americans, but allied countries can and they can pass that intelligence on to the CIA. Sure it’s legal, I’d argue shaky legal ground, but unquestionably immoral.
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    You didn't even read the quotes from them in the linked Tweet did you. :lol:
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    Imagine that.
    (more at the link)
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    The really interesting thing about the article is that when the Post asked Twitter about the account, Twitter suddenly nuked it with no explanation.
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    Sounds like yet another case of conservatives not having any evidence for what they want to be true, and deciding to manufacture some.
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    It does sound like that, but even I have seen what seems to be some of the outcry against the elimination of affirmative action express their outrage with some self ownage. I get what some of the people were saying, but you have to watch what you write when you are dealing with something like affirmative action which is meant to force opportunity in a very racist environment. It was always a policy meant to sunset because it was meant to overcome the effects of prejudice by offering up an offset.

    I think the discussion should be that this is not yet the time considering how obvious racism is still in our society.
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    I just figured this was what every "big" pundit, special interest group, and politician used social media for?
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    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/...tion-contact-with-social-media-firms-00104656
    Judge limits Biden administration contact with social media firms
    The ruling and order are the latest developments in a long-running lawsuit spearheaded by Republican-led states.



    The judge’s decision cites a wide range of topics that he says “all were suppressed” on social media at the urging of administration officials, including opposition to President Joe Biden’s and other officials’ policies. | Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images

    By MATT BERG and JOSH GERSTEIN

    07/04/2023 02:09 PM EDT

    Updated: 07/04/2023 03:57 PM EDT

    A federal judge in Louisiana ruled Tuesday that the Biden administration likely violated the First Amendment by censoring unfavorable views on social media over the course of the coronavirus pandemic, calling the efforts “Orwellian.”

    U.S. District Court Judge Terry Doughty also issued a sweeping preliminary injunction barring numerous federal officials and agencies — including Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, Health and Human Services Secretary Xavier Becerra, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and all employees of the Justice Department and FBI — from having any contact with social media firms for the purpose of discouraging or removing First Amendment-protected speech.

    The ruling and order from Doughty, an appointee of former President Donald Trump, are the latest developments in a long-running lawsuit spearheaded by Republican-led states alleging that the administration pressured social media companies to remove posts containing purported misinformation about the coronavirus, election security and other issues.

    “During the COVID-19 pandemic, a period perhaps best characterized by widespread doubt and uncertainty, the United States Government seems to have assumed a role similar to an Orwellian ‘Ministry of Truth,’” Doughty wrote in his 155-page opinion, which was released as most federal courts were closed for the Independence Day holiday.

    Doughty’s ruling appears to take effect immediately, but it isn’t a final decision on the suit and can be appealed by the Biden administration to the New Orleans-based 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. The Justice Department declined to comment on the ruling Tuesday. A spokesperson for the White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    The judge’s decision cites a wide range of topics that he says “all were suppressed” on social media at the urging of administration officials, including opposition to Covid vaccines, masking, lockdowns and the lab-leak theory; opposition to the validity of the 2020 election; opposition to President Joe Biden’s and other officials’ policies; and statements claiming that the story surrounding a laptop belonging to Biden’s son Hunter Biden was true.

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    “This targeted suppression of conservative ideas is a perfect example of viewpoint discrimination of political speech,” he continued. “American citizens have the right to engage in free debate about the significant issues affecting the country … the evidence produced thus far depicts an almost dystopian scenario.”

    However, the judge also pointed to past efforts to delete or suppress content from Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an anti-vaccine activist who in April announced he is challenging Biden for the 2024 Democratic presidential nomination.

    Louisiana Attorney General Jeff Landry celebrated the ruling, calling it a “historic injunction” against the Biden administration that prevents it “from censoring the core political speech of ordinary Americans on social media” in a statement Tuesday afternoon.

    “The evidence in our case is shocking and offensive,” Landry added.

    The Justice Department has argued in the case that federal officials engaging with social media companies were simply encouraging them to police their platforms and that the officials’ speech in doing so was protected by the First Amendment. Federal officials have denied engaging in threats or coercion to force the companies to de-platform certain speech or speakers, although top officials sometimes denounced the companies in stark terms.

    “They’re killing people,” Biden said in July 2021, after being asked about the presence of anti-vaccine content on Facebook and other sites. “The only pandemic we have is among the unvaccinated, and they’re killing people.”

    Doughty has been overseeing the suit the attorneys general of Missouri and Louisiana filed last year claiming that the administration’s pressure on Facebook, Twitter and YouTube was so intense that it amounted to censorship. In a rebuke to Doughty in January, the 5th Circuit blocked efforts to force former White House press secretary Jen Psaki to testify in the case.

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  15. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Scalawag Administrator Formerly Important

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    Fuck Trump judges are stupid. Like UA or FF stupid. Like don’t understand how linear time works stupid (HINT, the majority of the alleged suppression he claims the Biden administration did against conservatives took place in 2019 and 2020).
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    So this also applies to Trans HRT and surgical therapies, and abortion medications and procedures right? The government should not be getting involved in those areas and saying what is true and not because of political bullshit like Ron Desantis and the terrorist on the right are doing, right?

    Oh yeah, then it is ok and everything is fine. You guys are fucking hypocrites.

    Yes, I am willing to have an argument about what medical recommendations are made based on science and facts. But if you are going to let that bullshit stand while opressing actual conversation about women and trans people's health then you need to STFU.
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  17. Diacanu

    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    They're like the bad guys on the old George Reeves Superman who'd shoot Superman, run out of bullets, then throw the guns at him.
    Bullets just bounced off him, you think the gun is gonna hurt him? :lol:

    There's no dirt on Joe, the Hunter dirt isn't touching Joe, so now it's...."well..he...he said shit on Twitter before he was president!! :pwease:".

    Hey, fellas, maybe if you throw ENOUGH guns at Superman, you can BURY him in guns, and that'll slow him down for all of .005 of a second! :soma:
    Trump will sure win then! :hurr:
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    The only problem with that analogy is joe isn't really superman so it just might work. Maybe the dems could get someone people actually like instead of someone who is just supposed to be a bit better than a steaming pile of shit.
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    Diacanu Comicmike. Writer

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    Superman, human being shot with NERF bullets, tomayto, tomahto.
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    I am not really sure Joe could stand up to some of those nerf guns I have seen. I could fuck up an elderly person like him with a well loaded nerf gun. Then again I am a little insane with anything short range and non lethal.
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    The hilarious thing about that ruling -- which I've been waiting for one of our resident Absolutely Not A Republicans to post -- is that the judge explicitly identifies counterfactual assertions and lies as "conservative ideas."

    Which is 100% true; it's just entertaining to watch them tell on themselves.
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  22. Steal Your Face

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    Just a reminder, from a left wing outlet, by the way, of why all of this came about. I'll admit that I didn't present this very well when Taibi first reported on it and I should have ignored the trolls,but what's done is done. I'll also admit that Taibi did get some key facts wrong.
    The CIA and NSA were using Twitter as a sort of backdoor into domestic spying. This is illegal.
    Now there's a lot of detail in this article, but I like this little gem.
    To their credit, they said no.

    The FBI also used Twitter just to basically fuck with people.
    And then there's Biden.
    Then there's the military propaganda.
    Then the article concludes with what amounts to,"don't say we didn't warn you."
    https://jacobin.com/2022/12/twitter...moderation-intelligence-agencies-surveillance

    Now @Raoul the Red Shirt asked for something specific the Biden administration did.
    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/technology/white-house-rfk-censorship-covid-19-tweet
    Of course I mentioned this before, but nobody seemed to care because hey it's RFK Jr. and he's a nut, but as the previous article I cited said, it always starts on the fringes.
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    I don’t care who did it, it’s needs to stop. Period.
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    As I mentioned in another thread, it's utterly hilarious that the Trump-appointed judge responded to actions against various lies by identifying those lies as "conservative positions."

    Gotta love it when people tell on themselves.
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    This is funny. Here we have the puppet representative from the Virgin Islands who took money from Jeffery Epstein, but Democrats aren't groomers and I digress, being corrected by her aide who clearly is her puppet master. This how this country is being destroyed, by one brainwashed college grad congressional aide at a time.
    https://notthebee.com/article/this-...azy-eyes-is-giving-me-real-puppetmaster-vibes
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    So, we've gone from trans people are the groomers, to parents of trans kids, to the whole Democratic party.
    Mmm hmm, yeah, you're not full QAnon though.
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    College grads would at least have posted that in fucking English, as opposed to whatever hillbilly cant you just fucking used.
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    Nope, I never said trans people are groomers. I said some parents like to groom their kids into becoming trans. I also never said Democrats are groomers, but this one democrat did take money from Epstein and we know of at least one democrat president that was on Epstien's plane multiple times.
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    How come you never bring up Epstein Air frequent flier Donald Trump?

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...te-Lolita-Express-jet-flight-logs-reveal.html
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    Weren't most of the flights within the continental US. and not to the Island and didn't Clinton's name pop up more than Trump's?