Woman Jailed for Purchasing Abortion Pills for Teen Daughter

You could educate people about condoms a gazillion times, you're still going to have the,"I can't feel anything with a condom" crowd who won't wear a condom even though they know the risks. I'm not saying we shouldn't educate people, I often wonder if those people should have forced abortions.


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You're advocating forced abortions for people who refuse to wear a condom?

He's for small government.

So, a 24 hour waiting period before exercising free speech, freedom of religion, etc? No, we aren't treating abortion any different than most every other right. We treating guns special in relation to other rights. Not treating abortion rights differently.

Nah, there's no waiting period to kill another human being, because outside of self-defense and execution by the state, it's always against the law to kill human being. Zygotes, not so much. Possessing a gun can, in some cases, prove harmful to the general public. Vacuuming out an unwanted growth, again, not so much. Guns are special, and should be treated as such. Abortion isn't special, and should be as unrestricted and immediate as other rights.

There has never been a right to aboriton. Roe V. Wade was about "privacy".

Ahh your right of course.

Ban Packard for being eloquent and smart.

No, I wouldn't be for that. I was joking, but those people really shouldn't have kids.

Their decision was predicated on a woman's right to privacy between her and her doctor to terminate a pregnancy during the first trimester. The decision was based on abortion being safer than childbirth: the state has no grounds to intervene to protect the mother. The court rejected arguments that the fetus had a right to life.

Yes, it's about privacy. Laws requiring counseling would seem to be a violation of privacy, no?

Not when counselors are required under HIPPA to maintain confidentiality.

The only thing funny in your wondering is how aborting the male would have an effect on unwanted pregnancies.

not when the counselor is not the attending physician, or the physician is told what to say or when to say it by the government.

What part of "private" gives the government license to intervene in a conversation between a woman and her doctor?

That is patently false. Anyone dealing with someone in the medical profession is bound by HIPPA.

I'm talking about privacy, not HIPAA. The privacy between a woman and her doctor to have a conversation without interference from the government.

HIPAA (and not HIPPA) determines what the medical profession (including insurance companies who it was intended for) may do with information concerning a patient.

There is nothing wrong with counseling. I just don't feel it should be mandatory.

Teen girls very often know and understand much more than they let on - especially when being forced to sit through, potentially, embarrassing conversations with ANY adult regardless of how well they know them.

Counseling about pregnancy is a vastly different conversation after the test comes back positive.

Any parent that lies to a teenager about adoption vs abortion is not going to let a little thing like counseling stand in their way of getting their way.

Dunno where you live, but condoms here can be found in the health and beauty dept of any grocery store or Walmart. Often you can go to the self-checkout lane and not have to talk to anybody.

Maybe the condoms in your area are locked up for the same reason there's bars on the windows everywhere.

The very fact that the right wing must CONSTANTLY resort to lies tells us their positions are full of shit. If facts were on their side they wouldn't need to CONSTANTLY lie. They wouldn't be falsely claiming that abortion causes breast cancer, they wouldn't be falsely claiming abortion causes mental illness, they wouldn't be claiming all women are too stupid and child like to have considered adoption on their own even if they're are adults, they wouldn't be falsely claiming that wmds were found in Iraq, they wouldn't be claiming there were secret death panels in health insurance reform, they wouldn't be claiming the president is secretly an illegal alien...

The MAJORITY of their positions are a complete factually untrue crook of shit. They know this is true and that is why they CONSTANTLY resort to lies. They are the party of lies and only stupid people believe them.

I should point out that most women that have don't exactly bounce back mentality right away. At the end of the day, it's still a very drastic move to go against out nature as women as the vast majority of those seeking abortion are merely putting off motherhood to a later date, abd not just choosing to never have kids.

But is it like the bullshit like old school soaps where a woman goes batshit after having one? For most, that is absolutely not true.

I am sure it isn't a pleasant experience, that said it is medically and factually untrue to claim abortion causes mental illness. There are well defined ways to attribute causation of medical conditions and that threshold has never been met. It is an out right lie which they are legally requiring doctors to tell to vulnerable women who are looking to doctors for medically true advice.

As far as I'm concerned:

We know that in regards to vast amounts of education, even if it is on important topics that vast numbers of students simply ignore and dismiss it.

Yet somehow, sex education is supposedly followed and remembered relentlessly by those same students.

In regards to the complaints about states and communities making abortions hard to access............

A) There is nothing I know of that exercising a right (even one that appears no where in the U.S. Constitution even remotely) must be "convenient".

B) For those who complain about restricted access.

No sympathy.

For years abortion rights advocates used the courts to impose their values on states and communities that did NOT support abortion.

Now, that abortion opponents have found how to use the regulatory powers of the government to fight back.

Tough.

They also really don't seem to want to talk about how long it takes to mentally bounce back from being forced to carry to term against your will.

In other words, the "you're infringing on my rights by not letting me infringe on someone else's" argument?

How many abortions did they make you have, Dayton?

The right loves the argument that "you're being intolerant of my intolerance".

I've had to live in a society that did not reflect my values.

And you Garamet know full well that if Americans could vote on whether abortion should be legal in their area (not just states), vast parts of the U.S. would vote to ban it.

Sucks to be an American when you feel that way. Damn those individual liberties!

Which is why basic freedoms aren't put up for vote.

Dayton is really channeling his inner fascist in this thread.

Really, now. So if my "values" stated that the Church of Christ shouldn't be allowed to practice, would you argue that its continued existence violated my rights? Or does this only go one way?

Um... Americans vote on this all the time. North Dakota has a "right to life" measure on the ballot this fall.

Freedom of religion is in the First Amendment.

Neither privacy (and of course not abortion) are mentioned even in passing.

As long as Roe V. Wade and associated cases effectively override it, then such measures are basically meaningless.