the Jussie Smollett incident - what say you wordforge?

OMG a black guy who has never committed a crime before got his case ACD like the law allows? How dare he not be hung in the square. The white racists have no more confidence the law will not treat black people in a racist and oppressive way anymore. It just breaks their heart to see a black man being given a chance for his first crime while an innocent white guy like trump can't get a break after his 43578987th chance.

Simply false.

They may be given community service and a fine but a conviction is still there.

In this case they won't say what community service he supposedly did and they took $10,000 from him in exchange for dropping the charges.

That wouldn't happen to you and me.

Except the case was already dismissed. They won't even detail what community service he did.

He'll get another job. He's not going to be homeless over this.

Explain the mayor and police superintendent being pissed off. Explain it.

This guy gave a huge black eye to Chicago. Tried to turn something fake into a huge racial incident. All to get Trump.

That's a problem.

56 pages of this stupid bullshit, and the guy is innocent?

So, how does this work, does Racistforge have to put the cum they spewed over the thought of this guy being guilty back in their balls with a turkey baster up their pee holes, or do they just have to let themselves get blue balls over the next guilty black guy?

Diacanu,

The guy is not innocent.

He did community service (though no one will say what he did and when) and forfeited $10,000.

Innocent people don’t do that. Would you give up $10,000 if you were innocent? The guys not poor but he’s not rich enough that he can shrug off $10,000 like it’s ten bucks.

They have on camera the two men buying the gear that was used in the attack. Those men were his friends and his personal trainers.

He’s still facing the possibility of federal charges for the envelope hoax. I think his chances of being charged for that just went up because the Feds are going to say that if the state won’t get the pound of flesh we will.

Smollett had friends in high places put pressure on the DA and they folded. Even the mayor, a big time leftie, is upset about the DA dropping the charges.

Come on man. Don’t be stupid like Tererun.

Aren't people presumed innocent until proven guilty?

He is said to have done community service and he paid a ten thousand dollar fine.

In return the DA said that was punishment enough and dropped the charges.

Notice the DA never said he was innocent. The DA said the community service and the monetary fine was enough punishment for what he did.

He can say he’s innocent all he wants but the fact remains innocent people don’t do community service and pay ten thousand dollar fines.

And if Smollett was not a well known actor and all other things about this case were the same this deal would not have been given to him. He’d be on trial.

Smollett is lying.

He claimed his attackers were white but we know who the attacked him. They confessed that it was a setup. They are on video buying the gear.

Are we now to conclude they are lying? Well put them on trial than.

Put Smollett on the stand as the victim and ask him what happened. See if he perjures himself.

So this piece of shit did community service for an unrelated charge and gets credit for a new charge, how does that work? The city is just corrupt from top to bottom.

The evidence against Smollett is overwhelming. There is no reasonable possibility that his version of events is true. None.

It is not simply Chicago PD's word vs. his. It is the conclusion of a grand jury, which found the evidence compelling enough to indict him on 16 separate counts.

To believe that the case against him was untrue, you have many inconvenient facts to overcome:

1. The brothers are on video buying items known to be used in the "attack."

2. The brothers were known to be in the immediate vicinity of the "attack" by ride-sharing records.

3. The brothers testified they were hired by Smollett, and a check was in evidence to back that claim.

4. Smollett was attacked by two men he was admittedly close to, and failed to recognize them.

5. Phone records establish that Smollett was in contact with the brothers in the time frame around the "attack."

This is a gross miscarriage of justice, and--absent some truly incredible new evidence, which (of course) should be brought to light were it so--is a flagrant abuse of power and violation of public trust on the part of the DA. That the DA terminated this case without consultation is further evidence that this action was entirely unilateral and intended to be presented as a fait accompli.

I hope the feds have enough to prosecute deep and hard.

Did you misread something Garamet wrote? I'm pretty sure she never said anything of the sort, considering she's called out his Islamphobia plenty of times in the past.

Not innocent, but not being tarred and feathered behind it. He basically gets the same slap on the wrist as any other white person or Chicago politician would've received.

Imagine if white folks got this angry about actual hate crimes, like the Charlottesville rally or the mosque fires and attacks on Jews. Maybe so etching could actually get done to end racism.

How do you suggest ending racism?

Lol at @Zombie and @Paladin selectively believing in the concept of innocent until proven guilty. In other threads about crimes, they're often the first to chime in with this concept if their ideological or racial alignments dictate it.

I'm not saying the guy didn't do it, I'm saying that he is legally innocent until proven guilty. And I'm howling my balls off in laughter that that concept, when applied to a black man, bugs the shit out of you both.

Start by burning yourself alive.

You're white. What would you know about racism?

You mean like how I was slow to call the Smollett case a hoax in the beginning of this very thread?

Putting politics over evaluation of the facts? How cowardly.

Who cares about justice as long as the right people are outraged?

do you not get the fact that nobody gives two shits about smollett being black, but they do indeed care about him being a lying scheming cowardly shit-bag? Is this a difficult concept for you to get a handle on?

Lol. Initially I was inclined to believe him. If we don't believe a person's initial allegation that they were a victim of a crime, that sets a dangerous policy precedent for reporting crimes. Then, as the investigation continues, we can figure out whether a victim's allegations are substantiated by more than just his words, and whether an accused person can be charged and convicted.

In this case, not only did the evidence not support Smollet's allegations, but from the sound of it, he made most of it up. I don't know what evidence the DA has, but they clearly made a judgment call that it was not enough evidence to even charge Smollet with a crime, beyond his initial detention.

A black man is legally innocent until proven guilty, and that just eats away inside of you for some reason.

No...not "the city". "The City" wants him in jail. It's the prosecutors that wanted to prioritize gun crimes. The message sent is that as long as you don't shoot someone, commit any crime you want and you'll get a slap on the wrist.

Yeah you must be thinking of someone else because I've never done that and she's never needed to "correct" me.

You don't seem to understand the concept.

He can say he's innocent all he wants.

The DA never said he was innocent. The DA said the community service and the $10,000 fine was enough punishment for what he did. In return for the community service and the money they would drop the charges.

Explain how he's innocent when the DA is punishing him for what they accused him of?

Since when does the DA say someone is innocent but has to serve community service and pay a fine?

Because that's what happened in this case. What didn't happen was the DA ever saying he was innocent. That was Smollett and his lawyers who said he was innocent.

So there is nothing selective about it.

Have you not been following the case?

The grand jury saw enough evidence to charge him with 16 crimes.

Fixed that for you.

The only thing that eats at me is that a person who is so clearly guilty was let off the hook without so much as a wrist slap without any justification or consultation. In fact, it appears the whole thing was done stealthily so that it could be delivered as a fait accompli.

Do you believe Smollett's story?

There's a big difference between saying "well, he wasn't proven guilty in a court" and "everything he said was true!" Be brave and tell us where you stand.

Here's what the DA said:

"Meantime, First Assistant State's Attorney Joseph Magats told reporters he still believed Smollett filed a false police report. He said prosecutors "stand behind the investigation and the facts," adding, "this was not an exoneration.""

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-...-jussie-smollett-charges-being-dropped-report

Sure looks like one. No admission of wrongdoing? Smollett's record wiped clean?

This guy needs to go on the hotseat and explain why a case that got national attention was settled this way.

Some money surely exchanged hands and somebody connected surely had a word with somebody else.

This decision was a load of rubbish but his rep is ruined. For every dummy that will buy what happened (hint Smollett: Next time try shit like this in some Southern backwater, not Shitcago), the rest of us won't.

He'll survive it though.

Reconfirms there are two types of justice. One for the rich and/or connected (in his case the latter), and one for the rest of us. Stay the hell off the radar of our justice system, regular people.

How to be racist, for one thing.

I'm really amazed that whoever was trying to float this idea would think that 10 grand and community service (which nobody can prove he even served) would sound kosher when he had 16 major charges against him. How stupid do they think the general public is?

Here's a starting point for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin_v._United_States

He is innocent because he has not been found guilty of a crime beyond reasonable doubt and as far as we're aware there has been no plea deal in which he admitted guilt. Legally he is innocent.

Again, I'm not saying he didn't lie. A lot of what we've heard certainly leads to the conclusion that he lied. The DA could always reopen the case, and he could always plea guilty or a jury could find him guilty. But before that happens, he is legally innocent.

Not sure why that's so difficult for you to comprehend, other than you being blinded by hatred.

they have video of the two men he paid to "attack" him buying the rope, and copies of the checks he paid these men with. And he tried to stir up racial and anti-gay trouble by blaming the attack on Trump supporters. But maybe these things in and of themselves (while morally repugnant) are not crimes - I'm not a legal expert. I'm not seeing what this has to do with hatred as much as disappointment and disgust with the legal & justice system. Maybe that's too simplistic a viewpoint but this is what it seems like to me.

Paladin’s analysis is above reproach. ‘Innocent until proven guilty’ implies expectation of a fair trial. In this case there will be no opportunity for a fair trial.