It's Good News Friday! (CLIMATE CHANGE)

We're now at the stage where this kind of thing has entered the discourse...

Might as well go for it. The human race is doomed. If we're actually discussing it, it's too late.

I've seen this suggested before. The potential benefits do not outweigh the potential consequences.

Knee jerk reaction disagree

Bill Shatner's response to traveling into space - not what I expected, but fairly profound.

I doubt Bezos likes that very much...

Hope you’re not in the mood for snow crabs because they’re basically gone.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fishing-alaska-snow-crab-season-canceled-investigation-climate-change/

Snow crabs sound awesome in an "assaulting the fortress walls" kinda way but apparently were just awesome in the "tasty" kinda way.

Spock predicts we'll be freezing to death any minute now!



Skip to about the 6:30 mark and you'll see that they interview a glaciologist named Gifford Miller. He states, quite confidently, that the world started cooling about 3K years ago, in the place he's standing, called Baffin Island.

According to Nimoy's narration, by ~1973, temps had dropped by 2 C in the Arctic, compared to what they were 30 years before. This would mean that, since we're warmer than we were back in the 70s, the climate on Baffin Island should be what it was in the 1940s. As luck would have it, there's a much more recent video of Dr. Miller on Baffin Island, and it looks like some of it was shot in the same places In Search of shot back in the 70s.



Not nearly as much snow this time around.

According to the Wiki article on Baffin Island, it experienced an unusual period of cold in the 70s, but has steadily warmed in the years since then.

The next guy they profile is a scientist by the name of Chester Langway. He appears to be deceased (no publications by him after 2013, and he'd be 92 if he were still alive). The only interview with him that I could find was this from 1989 and he doesn't directly address if global warming is happening (nor if global cooling is happening). In the video, Langway suggests that the period of sudden cooling they detected happening some 89K years ago was caused by massive volcanic activity (so not part of a normal warming/cooling cycle on Earth), and that if we see a similar type of volcanic activity in the future, we could enter into a new ice age.

The next guy they interview is a Dr James D Hays. He appears to be retired. On In Search of, he says that the nature of Earth's orbit indicates we should start cooling. They then jump to stock footage of the Blizzard of 77, and describe how it was the worst in 200 years, and ponders what might things be like when such storms become the norm. Interestingly, the only time that the '77 record for New York was broken, was in 1993.

There's shots of what are said to be Buffalo (and the surrounding area) during the worst of the storm, while Nimoy intones about how bleak things were for folks in the city and the suburbs. Now, the shots in the areas outside of Buffalo have to be recreations, or were shot well after roads were plowed. While today a reporter could easily make their way to a disaster area in the middle of the worst of it, with nothing more than their smartphone for a camera, that was not the case in '77. You needed a goddamned truck to haul those things around and the odds of them being 4X4 are pretty slim. So, that's a bit deceptive, and who knows what they did to stage the reenactments that they filmed.

They go on to describe how bad things would be if winters got colder. California would see its glaciers expand and the San Joaquin Valley would get lots of snow. Then they interview Dr. Steven Schneider on the subject. He talks, briefly, about the planet cooling, then talks about the issues that could happen if the planet warms up too much and how geo-engineering isn't really a good idea. We wrap up Nimoy speculating that things could get bad, and there could be problems, and that maybe we could figure out a way to save ourselves. Not really a lot of evidence that we're headed towards an ice age, IMHO.

Just spent the last two weeks in California, Arizona and Nevada.

Oh my god are you folks in the southwest fucked. So, so, so, so fucked.

I made sure I left all the taps running in my hotel room, just to accelerate the water loss.

I’ve been living in VA now for 9 years and before that in MD, eastern shore for eight and before that (other than temporary living in other western states, CA, WY, AZ, and NM for no longer than 6 months) living in SC for 25 years (climatology tells us 30 years is what the study of climate is), I personally haven’t seen any significant damages in climate.
Have I seen weird weather phenomenon, yes. It happens every year. In VA, you get the occasional 60 F degree day in January. Our weather patterns haven’t changed that much. SC, snow depends on if the clouds make it past Atlanta. That hasn’t changed in my 43 years of living. I visit my folks on a regular basis. MD, no significant changes either. As for the western states, you guys were never supposed to enjoy the amount of water you’ve been getting in the first place. It stopped raining in Seattle @Ancalagon ? Maybe if this would have happened sooner, Kurt wouldn’t have blown his brains out. Or maybe with the rain l, we got some of the best music ever written.
The fact still remains that this is the result of climate change. I agree. This is what happens when ice ages end. Soon the new ice age begins.
This is fine.

You want to put some money on this? Pick a date some time in the future when we'll have conclusive evidence that 90+% of climatologists are wrong and that things are actually getting cooler. Say, 2030?

The U.S. Is in for Another Super-Dry Winter

Like Ben Shapiro's marital bed.

Heat waves have burnt down trillions of dollars, and now they could destroy the global economy

We Are Less Than 3 Decades Away From Losing Every Glacier in Yosemite National Park, Europe's Dolomite Mountains, and All of Africa

Fascinating article from CNN.

A UAE-owned agriculture company is basically stealing (legally, because the laws suck) water from a massive underground reservoir in Arizona, then shipping the crops overseas to feed livestock. So, in a nutshell, this isn't just a climate change issue.

It's now a national security issue.

That ought to get the Republicans' attention, although I'm pretty sure most of them are in the back pocket of big oil so we're fucked anyway.

9 in 10 U.S. Counties Hit by Climate Disaster Since 2011

Hydropower Plant Will Go Offline Thanks to Punishing Drought

Stronger El Ninos and La Ninas damages are expected by 2030

But, hey, FF thinks that just means we're going to be getting colder. So, no big deal, right?

A large chunk of Aussie houses will be underwater by 2030.

https://twitter.com/theeconomist/status/1610213778985046016?s=46&t=433MZz6uj5atBD38ipfTJQ

Ah yes, climate predictions. Remember the ice age that scientists predicted in the 70s? Or the prediction that Manhattan would be underwater by 2018? How about the prediction that children won't know what snow is by 2020? The UK would be like Siberia by 2020? Al Gore predicted there would be no more arctic sea ice by 2013? Polar bears are going to be extinct any day now?
As Greta says, "you can shove your climate crisis up your arse."

No, because we've debunked it here countless times.
If you were anyone else, I'd chalk it up to bad memory, but you've outed yourself repeatedly as a Santos level liar, so eat a shit pot pie.

Pretty much the same here in the Greater Toronto Area of Canuckistan. We had a 30C temperature swing in less than a week.

Buffalo, NY was hammered by a storm just before Christmas and several dozen people died from exposure and other storm-related incidents. Most of the snow there has now melted, only a week later.

That is indeed incredibly fucked up.

You did? Then why did the Washington Post write an article about it?
https://web.archive.org/web/20160805020812/http:/pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost_historical/doc/148085303.html?FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&type=historic&date=html , &author=By Victor Cohn||||||Washington Post Staff Writer&pub=The Washington Post, Times Herald (1959-1973)&desc=U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming&pqatl=top_retrieves
Or Boston University?
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/outreach/CDPW40/CD&PW_reeves_denver.pdf
Or Time Magazine?
Or The New York Times?
https://www.nytimes.com/1976/07/18/archives/the-genesis-strategy-a-chilling-prospect.html

Look at all that debunking.

I outed myself on one lie, what are the other lies? Show your work.

For any future-people lurking this board as archeologists, I'll answer.
I don't give a fuck what FF thinks.
Time crappily interpreted the data.
The science wasn't broken, the reporting was.
The other sources ran with the Time story.
That's the short version.
The longer version is out there to find.