All you have to do is look at a list of Best Picture Oscar winners and you'll see a list of some of the most over-rated, shittiest movies out there. That's not to say there aren't some real winners, but more often than not the Academy and critics pick turds.
I like that each character has a standout style. Superman is strings and brass. Batman is drums and choir. Wonder Woman is electric guitar, with a teensy sprinkle of female choir.
*cough* JJ Trek *cough* Looks like @Goldstein the Space Jew is in good company with retards like @Captain X and @Daytoŋ3 .
I really enjoyed the movie, and contrary to what has been said I didn't think the lead up to the fight was too long. I was entertained the whole time. It didn't bother that Batman was using guns to fight criminals. He needed to take them down, and not using guns wasn't going to work. So he went with what worked and what he needed to do. By this point, he'd already been the Batman for 20+ years. After that much time, he has been pushed closer and closer to the edge. It's another take on Batman, and for it to work for the movie he had to be a different Batman, one that comes closer to the edge of going over and becoming what he has fought for half his life. Superman was also different, in this movie he isn't the hero that everyone loves. He has people out there who hate him for what and who he is. But he can't please everyone, he can't help everyone. And just like in real life, there are going to be those that hate him for that. They think that what they need or want from him is more important that what he can do for them or if he can do it. Wonder Woman was fucking awesome. I also liked the Lex Luthor, another different take. But I liked the way Eisenberg played him, brilliant yet at the same fighting to control himself with a God complex of his own. For me, definitely an A+ movie.
Here's a blind item from last year. March 31, 2015 As sloppy drunk as this A list superhero actor was at an event two nights ago, there was still no excuse for him pawing at this foreign born B list mostly television actress who was on a long running hit overseas and crashed and burned here. Everyone assumed she would push him away and go on with her night but he started talking about a part in his new movie and she is desperate for work and the next thing you know they left together. It was really sad watching it all take place. Henry Cavill/Karen Gillan Superman got drunk and hit on Amy Pond. Talk about crossing the streams.
But if Cavill was instead named Bill Cosby, Gillan would have hired Gloria Allred and sued him for rape. Cause any guy who picks a woman up for casual sex is guilty of rape.
No. Take it to the Red Room if you want to discuss this further. And the same goes for the rest of you, because I've seen a few borderline comments the past couple of days. It's a fucking movie fer crissakes. If you don't like it or even if you do, great, but reconsider being a piss head towards others that disagree. Thanks.
http://io9.gizmodo.com/batman-v-superman-spoiler-faq-of-justice-1767720335 Nothing there I disagree with. Particularly about making a movie inherently attractive to kids that will mostly bore or traumatize kids. The more you are able to watch the movie without thinking, the more you can enjoy it. I do wish Snyder would find something else to do.
And those are exactly the reasons why I enjoyed it. Marvel movies have become so formulaic and kid friendly that I have no interest in seeing them a second time. I'm glad that D.C is going in the opposite direction for those of us who want more depth and complexities to our superheroes.
Okay, so it passed a couple of hours but top-notch entertainment it is not. Too dour and depressing. The plot was threadbare. The resolution of the Batman/Superman fight was fucking stupid. But Eisenberg's Luthor was great, Wonder Woman's appearance was good and the universe-building was well done.
I don't see what the fuss is. This was a really good movie. It's not the best movie I've ever seen but I was without a doubt entertained, had a ton of fun and held in a piss for way too long because I didn't want to miss a second of it. I admit I was worried about Affleck being Bats, but he pulled it off well - I would love to see a solo Batman movie now. Wonder Woman, apart from being a total hot mess, was very good. I've always held that Cavill is the best Superman and he maintained that in this movie. Lex was just so-so. Jeremy Irons was awesome. The editing was a bit choppy but as a whole the movie looked really slick and well choreographed. That fight scene where Batman rescues you know who and takes out all the dudes guarding her is one of the coolest things I've ever seen in a movie. Think that may be my favorite Batmobile, the thing kicked ass. I loved the end and how it set up the path to the Justice League. I dunno, maybe people's expectations were too high because finally after all these years two of the world's most popular comic bros were in a movie together. Or maybe they can show us on the doll where Zack Snyder touched them: Solid 8/10
My thoughts as well. The dream sequences could have been cut back a little but overall a very solid movie. Can't wait to see it again.
I think when we look back at phase 1 of the DCCU, BvS will be the "Iron Man 2", did a lot of world building, introduced two new heroes, doesn't stand so well on its own, better as a puzzle piece, still better than people treated it at the time.
OMG! I'm going to see it today and you all SPOILED ME!!!! Nawwwww..... just kidding I already watched and read all the reviews and spoiled myself. Still going to see it though. But I don't have high hopes for it. Even my kid told me my nephew said it was "LAME!"
Continuing the metaphor, JL will (of course) be Avengers, WW will be Captain America, Batfleck will be Thor, Aquaman will be Hulk, and Suicide Squad...will be Guardians Of The Galaxy, which is phase 2, but WB breaks everything.
Was what I expected - solid enough, but with some disappointing flaws. Negatives first: 1) The dream sequence... Looked lovely, but should've been the opener and actually been a possible future. I'll come back to this as a missed opportunity shortly 2) World building over plot. The plot was threadbare. Bruce Wayne is angry at Supes because of psychological reasons. We know he's a bit of a fruit loop, it's why he spends billions beating up criminals in Gotham as an armoured ninja-gimp. 3) Fight resolution. Fucks sake. Turns out all any criminal needs is to be concerned about their property at Marthas Harbour, and hey, they can have a batbromance! Good: 1) Pacing. Editing could've been tighter, but it was nicely paced. 2) Luthor. Smart, tactical, menacing, crazy... Everything Luthor is meant to be. They replaced the cold, with the crazy, but for me that worked well. His manipulation of Bats and Supes chimed. Missed opportunity. Switch the dream sequence with 15 minutes of a CGI'd future and you could've done enough world building to bother with a more solid plot. Top of my head, I can think of a few ways of shoehorning references in to the power rings, Flash being to time travel and Darkseid's power, all done with subtlety and in a way to get viewers interests and also cause fangasms, as well as setting up Bats initial enmity towards Supes. I enjoyed it, but I suspect Civil War is going to be much more enjoyable.
So, the smoke has cleared, and looking back at the whining and crying about casting, how funny is it that the controversial Batman and the controversial Wonder Woman were the best parts even for people that hated the flick?
It's easy to fall into this idea of "haters" and lump people with criticisms all in the same pot, but personally, I always defended the casting of Affleck. I knew what he was capable of and was always confident he'd be fine in the role. In fact, aside from Eisenberg I don't think anyone is mis-cast. Anyhow, I got to see this over the past week. I'm over at my parents' house this week and my old man wanted to see it. I can't say that my thoughts are substantially different from what I had anticipated. I think it was an improvement of Man of Steel. The Good - Superman felt more in character in this one. I still don't feel that Snyder understands the character, but after what felt like a stranger wearing the tights in Man of Steel, the recognition of Superman as a symbol of hope was welcome and the character felt a little more human. Any step towards a proper characterisation is good in my book. - I prefer Affleck to Bale. Blasphemy I know. - Wonder Woman's actions scenes were entertaining. - The first 20 minutes or so are fantastically paced and very entertaining. - Jeremy Irons is always good value. - Larry Fishburne. The Bad - Eisenberg. I hated HATED his performance. No issue with the idea of Luthor as mad scientist (since that's actually how the character started) but Eisenberg I couldn't stand whenever he was on screen. The whole maniacal Zuckerberg thing, not for me. - Superman still wading in doom and gloom. This didn't see like a Batman and Superman movie. It felt like Superman guest starring in a Batman movie. You barely even saw Superman during the daytime. I would've loved just one unsaturated scene with the sun blazing and Superman for that scene as a fun, bright and inspiring character. Just one fucking scene. Was it so hard Zach? I think because most nerds prefer Batman the audience doesn't seem to care about how Superman is handled. But I do. - Wonder Woman is wasted. Personally I am neither here nor there on Gal Gadot, primarily because she didn't really have a huge amount to do before putting the costume on and so I have little to judge her on. It was an extended cameo and it confirmed my fears that Snyder had rushed to squeeze in as many characters as possible and that characters would suffer as a result. I think I would've preferred her to be saved for the next picture and start off via her origin movie. - The pacing. The third act really dragged for me. I feel that Snyder spends so much time worrying about fancy visuals that he falls short in other areas, this being one of them. - The script. My single biggest gripe with the whole movie. It's utterly littered with plot holes and I think it makes fools out of both Batman and Superman. In fact, mostly Batman. Batman is supposed to be intelligent. Snyder tries to show us that he is a detective, but at the same time he's got him ranting about killing Superman if there's a 1% chance he's bad. I can't believe that Batman would be so driven by his emotions to make such a shallow determination. What's more, he gets so easily led throughout the movie that I just felt the new DumbBatman was out of character. All it takes is the mention of his mother's name to do an entire about face in a split second and change his mind? Oh please....and of course Superman is instantly okay with it despite almost being murdered a second earlier. Even in the world of comicbooks that was straining credibility, and it's times like this when to can separate the nerds from the rest of the audience as the former scramble around makig excuses for such excruciatingly poor writing. - Doomsday. CGI mess. Nuff said. - Batman & guns. My very limited and only period of comic reading was in the 80s and early nineties. Only then was it these two characters. If there's one thing that always stuck with me it was Batman's revulsion at using guns. There were who stories built around it and quite a few discussions of it. I find the idea of Batman so casually using guns in this to be off putting because it goes against the whole idea of him as an acrobat and detective. - Holly Hunter pretty much wasted. The Frustrating - I feel like Snyder handed out copies of Dark Knight Returns and Death of Superman before production and told the crew "this is all you need to know". - Too much trying to be done in one movie. For a two and half hour picture I felt that I had not seen enough of either Batman or Superman by the end, which felt strange. Verdict: 5/10. I hope the R Rated version is an improvement.
Bats has used guns several times, his original incarnation even killed with them. Even the Silver Age Bats, in the CCA era, used guns several times, albeit not against people. The Bats and Supes you're used to aren't the originals, but interpretations for the readership, morals and politics of the time, and same for the cinematic ones, so it only goes against one of many interpretations. My only bugbear with Batfleck was the inconsistency, he should've been aware of what Luthor was up to and the battle scene would've pivoted more sanely then. Bats should wanted to beat the snot out of Supes to keep him check, to let him know there was an authority that would hold him to account, but had been unaware of the Martha Kent's kidnapping. The film made some bad choices - again, we missed out on so much world-building by totally skipping letting us see what happens when Luthor reads the Encyclopaedia Kryptonica, that would've set things up much better than Hannibal Luthor making veiled comments about Darkseid being hungry and that they'd heard. It's not a bad movie, it's actually pretty decent, but for me the misses are like a wind chill factor, making it look less than it is.
Yeah, combined with Ramboesque action scenes full of Bats shooting machine guns while spinning in circles (reminded me of scenes from FAST series, or Wick, or Transporter series (couldn't tell, they tend to become generic action scenes that blur together)), I was most put off by the Batman being presented as some kind of super human being. All the weight lifting and extreme-exercise-to-the-max wasn't enough to keep from dislocating me from the moment (during the 'no-you-really-can-take-Batman-seriously-as-rival-to-strongest-man-ever montage'). Better to retcon some kind of radioactive spider or super-soldier formula (both used to posit Spiderman and Cap as 3-10x stronger than top specimen of regular human) to address the homogenized version of the new, super-human super-action hero, Batman now with super-human strength, machine guns spinning (and maybe he's still really super smart and intuitive as needed, we'll use those as minor powers now). Most of the rest was a fun popcorn action movie, 2 or 2.5 stars, forgettable after a month or two, but a fun action ride short on story or investing too much into the characters. Sort of like the Jurassic World recent rendering for that franchise minus the Pratt.
