Only in the fucked-up alternate reality America that we're all somehow stuck in would $680-million in revenue on a $250-million budget be considered a failure. Sweet mother of Christ.
Its not uncommon for a movie to make a profit, but be considered a "bomb" because it doesn't make as much money as the suits expected.
They were probably expecting "The Force Awakens", money. Anyone expecting "The Force Awakens", money is a fucking maniac. Even Episode 8 isn't expecting TFA numbers.
Again, only in the fucked-up alternate reality America that we're all somehow stuck in does that actually make sense.
It's also possible that a $250 budget for the movie isn't the full story, and doesn't include marketing and other costs.
Ages ago, Harper's magazine published a detailed breakdown of how Follywood does their accounting practices. To say that they use "creative accounting" is putting it mildly. Think the scam Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder attempt to run in "The Producers" and you'll have an idea. Yeah, the numbers we see don't tell the whole story, but just because the film posts a "loss" or a small profit, doesn't mean that the people involved didn't make shitloads of money.
Sometimes the suits are idiots. They should have known that a more darker adult oriented movie,even a superhero one, wasn't to go to approach Avengers or Star Wars numbers.
Well saw it..... Liked Affleck as Batman. BUT Batman was stupid. Okay he's investigating the "White Portuguese" and discovers it's making a delivery for Luthor. He doesn't ask why Luthor is sneaking in the only thing that can kill Superman? Batman knows Superman is Clark Kent and he never investigates his background? He should have already known everything about Clark including the fact that his mother was named Martha. Cavill as Superman? No real problem there but again the character was stupid. He doesn't talk to anyone? Not even Lois Lane to run puff pieces about him so the world gets to know him? He's been setup and he doesn't step up and verbally defend himself? He has a moment with his dad. I thought it would be a dream sequence. Turns out he was just talking to himself. Why not just put Batman in a bear hug and talk to him? Or rip off his suit? I don't have a problem with the wheelchair scene because he's a rookie and got caught off guard. Also didn't like that they killed him. We all know he will be coming back. So there is nothing that can defeat him. Gadot as Wonder Woman? No problem there although we didn't get much into her character as I would have liked. I hope she drops the sword and shield for the next movie. Also she's over 100 years old? I thought she aged like everyone else. Or is the island she comes from on a different time scale? How does history not record a crazy ass woman fighting in WWI? Of course it would be cool to see that story. Eisnberg as Luthor? Terrible. He turned Luthor into a poor copy of Joker. Didn't like it at all. Also he kills off Mercy. Why even have her called Mercy then when you know everyone who knows about Lex also knows who Mercy is? Now they've ruined that character for a future film. Why even kill her? Luthor has never shown himself to be so callous as to kill his own people for no good reason which is exactly what happened to Mercy. She was killed for no good reason. The Senator? Doesn't like Superman but then prevents the one thing that could stop him from taking over from being shipped to Luthor. I get that she doesn't like Luthor but wouldn't you want a piece of the Kryptonite? At least for the US military? Unless the military had some from the ship in Metropolis. In fact it makes no sense that Luthor needed a import license for it in the first place. Just smuggle that thing in on your private yacht or something. It's a damn rock. No one would notice. Why did the US government take possession of the alien ship in Metropolis but make no attempt to take over the one in the Indian Ocean? Perhaps it was so burned out as to be worthless but still it's alien technology. Why didn't the US want the kryptonite? No way they don't want it themselves in case Superman goes rogue. And handing over an alien body and ship would be impossible for one man to do. Such a thing would be tightly controlled going all the way up to POTUS. There would be dozens of people in the chain of command over both items. I never realized that Gotham and Metropolis are so close that you could see the bat signal from Metropolis. Are they this close in the comic books? The US must realize that Superman is Clark Kent because unless Batman put some lead in that coffin when no one was looking the US had to know Superman's body wasn't there. Plus how will Superman get his old job back in the next movie? He's dead as Clark Kent. Buried on the farm. I did love how they showed the Superman/Zod fight from an outsiders POV. It was cool to see and hear Superman/Zod blast through the buildings from another characters viewpoint and then to see the light beams cutting the place apart. Of course I never understood why anyone was still in the building watching a alien spaceship flatten the city and not running. I would have been running out the building the instant the ship showed up. And it was cool to see the alien ship get swallowed up into the phantom zone. I do hope they bring Faroa and the Col back. Oh and the Flash..... I knew it was the Flash because I read it online but it could have been handled in the movie better. A little less light and noise and more speaking clearly.
if I haven't said so, I think Afflack lapped the field in terms of being the best live-action Batman we've seen, but I was never in the crowd that thought he was a bad choice to begin with. Also, I can kind of forgive "old and tired and grouchy as hell" Batman using guns more than he might have ever dreamed in his younger and more idealistic days. Part of the "I'll never touch a gun" mythology - a lot of it actually - is drawn from the animated series of the last 25 years. Thinking in particular of that one scene in Batman Beyond, I think, where they flashback to when Bruce retired because he almost shot a bad guy even in self defense.
70% drop in box office for weekend #2, one of the biggest drops in business for a big tent pole movie in history. Currently standing around $235 million domestic box office. This thing won't reach $350 million, it may struggle to even reach $300 million. Given the expectations, that's a massive failure. You can bet they thought they would make Avengers money, easy. And they should have, but they've handed the keys to the kingdom to a douchebag who doesn't understand the characters. It may one day end up breaking even, but the negative buzz generated by this critical bomb has crippled the fledgling DC movie-verse right out of the gate.
Only really care that it makes enough money to keep making movies within this universe. It will, and that's all that matters.
All right... 1. Suicide Squad reshoots in response to BvS. Objectively not true, all tentpole movies do reshoots, it's in their schedule. 2. All the funny parts of SS were in the trailer. A lie. A flat out lie. Collider's inside source says there's way more humor than in the trailer before even the reshoots. Pisses me off when people weave a narrative that they WANT to be true. Pisses me off worse when multiple people gang up on the lie to try to willpower it into being.
Jesus Christ this woman is a retard. Like I said earlier, Zach Snyder doesn't think audiences are stupid, but apparently some are. It's a show not tell movie, if you were paying attention, you clearly can get Lex Luthor's motivations. It's not as simple as Luthor has daddy issues or that Batman and Superman's moms have the same names and all of the sudden are BFF. People are really trying to simplify what I think is a pretty sophisticated movie. I guess some people just need everything spoon fed to them? Also, it's been known from the begging that Batman V Superman is meant to be dark. Oh and OMG, Batman kills!!! At the end he realized he'd gone too far. Lastly, they want to bring fun to Flash. Stop the fucking presses, Flash is supposed to be fun, he was the comic relief in the DCAU. This retard is just fishing for stories so she can keep her job. I like nerdist, but my god, people read too much into this shit. As for the box office, WB's should never have been expecting the billion dollar mark, I mean Jurassic World, Star Wars and Avengers were already built up from previous movies, this is only the second recent DC movie that is building a universe.
"Some people need everything spoon fed to them". Pretty much. If the Godfather came out today many would call it boring due to all the talking and not enough things blowing up.
Finally caught this in the theatre yesterday. Short review: The critics and bashers really got this one wrong. It was a fun movie. Not a masterpiece by any stretch, but certainly not a failure. Lots of excitement, action and drama. Also, I think the Marvel Movie-verse has gotten way too campy. This was definitely a nice change of pace.
So, despite being beaten by the new Melissa McCarthy movie this weekend, Batman v. Superman (a sequel) has far surpassed Man of Steel's original box office of $670-million and has made almost $800-million globally. It will likely hit $1-billion before it leaves theatres for home video, where it will make a shitload more money. Audience approval ratings are 70% favourable on both rottentomatoes and IMDb. Yet in the haters' reality, this is somehow a failure.
DC/Warners were always going to have problems, the MCU has become such a juggernaut. Do they try to replicate the MCU template a little, and get called out for being copycats, or do they try a different tack and risk alienating people used to the MCU way of doing things? Either way, there were always going to comparisons themetically, financially and arses on seats. And with characters like Supes and Bats you are always going to run into trouble in the modern world, what did people do in the 70's if they didn't like something? If they cared enough, a stern letter to a sci-fi mag few read. These days, we've instant whining with social media, modern media preachers sat in their YouTube pulpits decrying things that displease them, and Facebook and Twitter echo chambers amplifying the bitterness, all picked up by a traditional media who love negativity and desperate to be seen as relevant in the social media age regurgitating it. Once you only had to worry about the grumpy cunts reviewing in the papers, now you've half the planet wanting to wallow in their views getting liked in the giant ego-stroking project the internet has morphed in to, and they know the more polarizing the opinion the more attention it'll get. "We can't have nice things, because humans" ought to be the modern worlds motto. That, or "we are all Trump now"
Oh, what drives me fucking crazy is people rewriting history in their heads so that they ALWAYS loved the MCU. No, you can go back, and these same critics that lick MCU's asshole in order to bash DCCU were wavey-hand on most of phase one. Iron Man and Avengers were the only bona-fide hits of that first batch, the rest were received with a "meh", and Iron Man 2 was flat out despised. Now these douche-nozzles want you to forget that shit in their new reviews where the revised narrative is "Marvel always knew what they were doing". Yes and no. They wanted MCU to be a thing, and they knew "if you could do it, this is how you'd do it", but they were praying to the luck fairies every step of the way unti Avengers hit hard. DCCU is experiencing the exact same growing pains MCU phase 1 went through.
Not sure about that, Marvel was lucky - the stars aligned for Iron Man, in development hell for years and actors and directors attaching/detaching themselves from it, they finally got someone who was Tony Stark and a director happy to go with an unpolished script, trusting the cast to ad lib. That was something that could've gone horribly, horribly wrong. There's something of a steady-going "we're not sure what we're doing" about the DCCU, whilst the MCU just went for it and figured they'd iron out the creases as they went along. I honestly can't say who has the right approach, given the money involved, but for me the DCCU movies are so far missing something. It's like having a meal with a missing ingredient, you enjoy it, but you really want that missing ingredient in. Really hoping Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman puts that right.
I feel the same way about the Marvel movies. I think they're far too campy and lack any real gravitas. Earth is under attack again! We're doomed! No worries, Captain America and Iron Man are cracking wise and all will be well. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate both DC and Marvel for what they are. I'm glad DC hasn't gone the Marvel route. As you said a few posts up, if DC had gone the Marvel route, they would have been equally criticized for being copycats. Moral of the story is that you just can't win with faboys.
I just feel fortunate we live in an age where we have different takes of mostly very good comic book movies to watch. Amirite.... Or amirite...
Just re-watched "Man Of Steel", again. It's even cooler now that I can see all the big and little ways it links up with BvS. From obvious stuff like how the Zod fight matches up, to the layout of the Kryptonian ship before and after Superman fucks it up with his heat vision. These flicks give you a lot of Easter eggs to study.
Like it wasn't water that Lex was wading around in, but some sort of artificial Kryptonian amniotic fluid.
