Heroes

I'm betting Peter AND Sylar go up...and because only Peter has Claire's power... Only Peter survives the final conflict between him and Sylar.

Who says she's a chick?

Seriously, it would be a lot easier to get what you wanted and to be less obvious as a threat by appearing as a thin and attractive chick than as a muscular guy.

Who says Sylar was cheated out of DL's ability? As I understand it,

I think ando is going to cause the explosion if he stabs sylar.


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Nix that..just seen a preview and i see a dead ando behind sylar

IIRC the beginning of the trailer showed flashbacks to previous events in the series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlWz5h7JhPM&NR=1

Best baddie 2007

Not in the case of DL.

Thank you for failing to use spoiler tags.

I'm hoping Candice becomes one of the "good guys" in the wake of Linderman's death.

I got a soft spot for shape-shifters (even if it's just what you THINK you see that changes)

She's not exactly a shape-shifter. More like a holodeck.

A mobile holodeck.

Pretty damn cool power IMHO. I'm waiting for her to show someone something to reall mess them up as she keeps hinting. I'm thinking Rosie O'Donnell in a thong.

Awesome episode. Poor Ted. What a terrible way to die. Altough had I been him I would have been so mad that I would have exploded and taken out New York and Sylar! That would have thrown the audience for a loop.

Parkman is such a wimp.

Oh and Nathan's father is......
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Something I just thought of. Hiro's dad said he had a power, but we didn't exactly see anything, except him waving his hand over the samurai sword, then he pulled it out and it was back in one piece.

Maybe he has Magneto's power?

Raoul, I saw the preview clips later, and totally get what you said, thank you! He's recovered from bullet wounds once, perhaps he can gradually 'phase' it out of his system, I'd like to see him survive. I liked the way he had to take the bullet because if he became incorporeal it would have hit his gal (assuming he can avoid bullets with enough advance warning).

Future Candice seemed to be on the good side, plus in the present it looks like she's gotten rid of her perpetual smirk. Still, she's pretty bitter, so I expect they'll have to give her something in the story that restores her faith. Her story/motivations remind me of Mystique in the movies.

I like how equivocal some of the 'bad' guys are, Bennet the Gray is the easy example - prepared to murder a little girl to protect Claire (Father of the Year, someone we want to like, but nevertheless a bad guy?). Nathan, written in such a way that we find it credible if he evolves from just a jerk into a bad guy (especially if Peter died and Nathan's purpose as a role model died with him).

Morally gray is fun. To be a purely "good" guy in my book they would have do the right thing even when it would be detrimental to their personal agenda (like the future Parkman isn't a good guy because e.g. he betrays Bennet and murdered Bennet's assistant). But I guess pre-bomb Parkman could still be a good guy, people can change fundamentally when something as monumental as a nuke-sized explosion destroys a city; even his new baby could be enough to alter his priorities and moral flexibility.

The Linderman and Mrs Petrelli faction is puzzling - all along Bennet has been portrayed as protecting Claire from Linderman's operation. Maybe Mrs. Petrelli with the Hatian has her own agenda - and they keep secrets from Linderman, or maybe the whole 'protect Claire' plot was a bureucratic glitch (Linderman or Eric Roberts never got the memo), or maybe the storyline was a macguffin, just included to pad the story for a few episosdes.

George Takei's faction seems easier to parse - he's a good guy and so is his kid Hiro. Hiro learned fast, maybe Sulu's a super-teacher? [Mostly joking as I doubt that's his power. Timmy, I thought Hiro left the broken sword in the front room with the smith.] Claire, Hiro and Peter are the good guys and I suspect - hope actually - they'll all survive to Season 2. DL too, a good guy I hope survives. Ted's dead, cheated of a chance to be a hero, as RJHJ said, a rotten way to die. Anybody have a different list of 'good' guys?

Tuttle's got a point about the shades of gray issue. I still can't make up my mind as to whether or not Nathan is a good guy or bad guy. Good writing, IMHO.

Nathan must be a bad guy, they've put eyeliner on him. Always a classic bad guy sign IMO.

Well, hypothetically, he had enough time to phase both him and Jessica so that the bullet hit neither of them. But what can you do?

All we really know about Future Candice was that she was supposed to have gone through the Bennet Underground Railroad to freedom/safety and instead (or afterward) became a Sylar Snack.

I don't think anyone in Heroes, with the possible exceptions of Sylar and Peter, is pure good or evil.

Hiro is both a thief and a cheat. We accept him doing things like helping Ando win in Vegas and swiping Linderman's sword because we like him and he's doing it in the name of a noble end.

Claire tried to, if not kill, severely injure her would-be rapist.

DL is a convicted thief and now a killer.

Hiro's dad didn't fix the sword. He gave Hiro a different sword. Or at least that was my impression.

D'oh!

But anyway the sniper scene when his wife tried to cap him left room for doubt whether his control over phasing could avoid bullets.

I thought Jessica actually stole the 2 million. Did DL perform another theft? Killing Linderman did the world a favor (just a joke rationalization), and was an action in defense of his wife (more seriously).

I found Claire's transgression (youthful, impulsive) and Hiro's (learning not to be gullible, or weak) to be somewhat justifiable or forgivable and not morally evil, although in pure terms I'll (obviously) concede your pov. So they'll never be Paladins, but we could regard those as two Chaotic Good.

I guess I wasn't paying enough attention, because I was busy shitting my pants with George Takei appearing for a second time. I think you guys are right, though. I also read some theories that his power is to live forever or something, and that he is really the samurai in that story.


And I still think Mr. Bennett is the best hero.

Not to Molly Walker. Though he's among my top handful of characters.


Forever Man would be cool. And certainly there were enough ambiguous hints in his dialogue to support that theory (waiting a long time for a "Nakamura to ascend", "worthy of our legacy" and "once I had allies").

Technically the Haitian is the greatest hero, what with the whole power dampening effect.

However, I anticipate Hiro and Peter vs. Sylar would be the end of the brain munching.

In the alternate future, Sylar somehow survived the explosion without Claire's power. I think he probably stole DL's power and phase-shifted during the explosion, essentially letting the blast pass through him and preventing him from being vaporized.

Perhaps he will the same in this timeline?

No, the future we saw was one in which Peter was the bomb.

Originally it was Sylar, and he survived due to having gained Claires power. Hence "save the cheerleader". After Future Hiro came back and delivered that message so that Claire was saved the timeline changed so that Peter is the bomb, not Sylar.

Nah, he was saying that Sylar had to survive in NY when Peter blew up - and his idea that Sylar did it by phasing out during the impact is cool - it makes DL's future even more important.

I think that time was just a matter of timing. Jessica caught DL by surprise and hit him in the shoulder with one shot. He then phased and was able to escape.

I was under the impression, though I can't point to much specifically from the show or the comics, that he had been a criminal for a while, planned this big Linderman score and then decided not to go through with it. Then Jessica executed the theft, etc.

DL's mom seemed like she accepted her son was a hoodlum from the glimpse we got of her. It also seems to me that a rookie crook does not lead a crew or decide to take a mob boss's money the first time out.

While the actual killing was in defense of his wife and himself, I find myself wondering to what extent DL went up there with the intent of killing Linderman.

I personally don't hold Claire's move against her. But I like that one could argue that.

It could be that Sylar has a natural sort of immunity to the radiation and possibly the force of the blast, just as Ted himself seemed to not be bothered by radiation.

Earlier I hypothesized he was able to fool people into thinking he was dead by using an Animal Man/Vixen-like ability to channel a cockroach's ability to go into suspended animation. It may be that like a cockroach he is able to survive nuclear explosions. Or he uses his cryopower to freeze an impromptu bomb shelter. Or he liquefies downward. Or he superleaps far enough away.

There are a lot of possibilities.

In the "Five Years Gone" timeline, though, I think Sylar didn't get DL's power until after the bomb because IIRC there's reference made to DL having gone through Bennet's Underground Railroad.

Raoul raises a point I've been thinking about, namely that Ted seemed to recover from his self-inflicted burns without Claire's power, so why couldn't Sylar?

And maybe Hiro's dad's power is like Hiro's? Maybe all that sword-training was taking place outside the normal time stream? Just a thought.

^Actually, I think Hiro's dad is the ancient samurai that Hiro so adores. Power of immortality IMHO!

I think Peter can use two powers at the same time, at least subconciously. Remember when Bennet and the Hatian try to take Peter and Claude on the roof of the Deveraux building? Peter instinctively canceled out the Hatian's power dampening ability and used the telekinesis to stop the taser probes at the same time. I just noticed that today while watching part of the marathon on Sciffy.

Yes. That would certainly give more sense to his line about him trying, for a long time, to produce a gifted offspring, and finally succeeding with Hiro. If it's just him and his sister, that would be a bit of hyperbole.

Yep, he said the sword was meaningless, it was his journey that focused his powers.
Why say that, and give him the same sword anyway?

Actually, now that I think on it, maybe not, Bennet and the Hatian were using thermal imaging goggles, so maybe Peter and Claude were out of range of the Hatian? But taser range is within what the Hatian used to block Parkman after the Homecoming event. So maybe Pete was using invisibility and telekinesis or maybe invisibility, telekinesis and power dampening to negate the Hatian?

Either way, Pete's the show's version of Ultra-Boy from DC's Legion of Super-Heroes at least, and as he gains experience, a certifiable badass.