Guy throws a shit-fit in my profession? Get over it. Woman does? Too emotional, probably needs firing or ignoring. And that's SCIENCE. The one field you'd expect to consider reactions equally. When I've seen science guys lose it, it's because their student fucked up an experiment. When I see science gals lose it, it's because they've been subjected to horrific sexism or stress. I'm not saying I don't want to scream to the fucking heavens on occasion. I'm just saying I don't expect to be able to take my frustrations out on students or employees and get away with it just because I have a dick.
Yeah, men get bored easily too. Fucking stereotype. (He says having logged out of Fallout: New Vegas three times already today despite fuck all better to do)
except for when UA tried pulling the same thing on me a few weeks ago? or parallels like "do you even know what "X" is?"... Although, given how conservatives tend to favour fossil fuel, I guess gaslighting is natural?
Yep, I guess you are just infinitely better at understanding nuance as a women than I am as a man. Though in case that's not true, a big hint is this: the first stage of understanding nuance is accepting that more than one thing can be true. No, it said that women are infinitely better at it. If it wasn't for the ridiculous statement no one would have blinked an eye at the dialogue of the show. If someone on the right said men were infinitely better at anything they'd be mocked incessantly. Certainly those on the left would do so. But I've seen over and over again the left excusing itself for shitty takes that they'd absolutely eviscerate the right for if the position was reversed. If I lost my shit at a coworker I too could lose my job. If I yell at a girlfriend, reasonably good chance I'll be looking for a new girlfriend. Men are more likely to die from conflict than women are. At best, this is a matter of degrees. There was considerably more repression before the 20th century of women. Indeed, this is the time frame in most western societies that the repression started to be challenged. Regardless. this is exactly as I stated - not explicitly in the meme, stuff you are bringing to it that is your opinion. But you conflated that with the text of the meme itself, which of course is dialogue from the show. It's absolutely amazing to me that you think this only spans the last century. My goodness what a complete lack of understanding. Well, I'm' sure you are infinitely more mature than I am. LOL. Honestly I think white privilege is a shit take. No, you aren't in a magic club if your skin is white. Minority disadvantage definitely exists in the US. If we posited it that way we might have fewer political problems with struggling white males who have seen their earning power decline, their communities ravaged by drugs, their jobs shipped overseas. That's an entirely different thing than the systemic racism that impacts minorities in the US, but most white men I know don't feel privileged. Hell, I've been told I wasn't getting a promotion because they needed to promote a minority woman, despite being the far stronger candidate. I didn't have to guess about whether or not it happened, the hiring manager told me outright that I was the better candidate but his hands were tied. Nuance is understanding that these things happen, and I can certainly empathize with other groups and I vote and support equal rights. But anyone who says their sex is infinitely better at something, especially something mental, is just a complete douchebag.
Demi, the concept of privilege is not that all of X belong to a magic club. Or even that all of X feel privileged. It is that people in X category tend to have advantages that people in not-X category do not. In the gender category, for example, I would say most men do not have to concern themselves on a day in-day out basis with being sexually assaulted, sexually harassed, getting paid less than their counterparts because of their gender, and so forth. Yes, there are men who are sexually assaulted, harrassed and underpaid. And yes there are many women who do not experience those things. But being able to live largely free of those concerns is an advantage over having such things be a constant worry or an actual reality. Getting back to She-Hulk, what she actually said was not "women are infinitely better at controlling their rage than men." What she said was "I, Jen Walters, am infinitely better at controlling my rage than you, Bruce Banner." Even if the reasons she gave were I am infinitely better at controlling my rage than you Bruce because I've had to live a woman's life and thus had to control my rage a lot more because sexism, it's a very different statement than "Women are infinitely better at controlling their rage than men." Being better at controlling one's rage than the not-so-jolly green rage giant is not that big an achievement.
If they're getting this angry at the notion women have to conceal their emotions lest they be considered hysterical or trigger men to a negative response, fuck knows what they made of this scene in the comics:
Women are not more adept at controlling their emotions, and they are not doing it more often. They just whine more about it.
Speaking of that, what happened to all that assrape in the streets that was going to happen if we let gay people have more rights? Or the castration camps that were going to happen when sexual harassment policies were put in place? The news of the 90's/00's/and 10's was pretty boring. Nowhere near as entertaining as promised by the paranoids. Why, it's like they're full of shit or something.
Wow. one meme and suddenly women all over the world are whining about having to control emotions. And here's another white male privilege thing - if a woman is not happy with her situation and works to improve it, she's whining. If a man is unhappy with his situation and works to improve it, he's proactive. Why can't anyone just enjoy a tv show or movie? Why does it have to be "woke" if the protagonist isn't a straight white christian male?
The actual answer is, they weren't reading Hulk, because Hulk isn't a big enough political target. It isn't about genuine outrage, it's about the fascist agenda, and getting the biggest number of gullible eyeballs aimed at it. Put that speech in Superman or Batman, then you'll hear some fucking reee-ing.
Whining until someone else fixes it = "working to improve things." There's your female privilege. The problem with "just enjoying it " is that the show has to otherwise not suck, rather than just being a low-rent vehicle for gender politics.
Oh, fuck yeah. Making Superman's son the new "main" Supes AND making him gay? Jesus FUCK the pant-wetting. Even though the majority of them would have turned for Dean Cain. Even the ones who thought he looked too swarthy. Especially the ones who thought he looked too swarthy.
Yeah, you haven't said a single thing I haven't already responded to, so this is not worth responding to again. Hell, the title of the episode is 'A Normal Amount of Rage.' It's literally a reference to women having to control their rage more than men, and feeling enraged all the time. Jen explicitly says so in the dialogue - 'anger and fear are the baselines of any woman just existing.' Hell, Bruce has to stop her from smashing the three guys outside the bar who are being obnoxious, but not violent.
Well, the other problem is it's a huge retcon from some Hulk writer that doesn't appear to have read the early books. Thunderbolt Ross sends the army after Hulk endlessly, and pretty quickly moves from capturing to destroying the Hulk. Along the way he commits treason to do so allying himself with the likes of the Leader, MODOK and even the Abomination. The Hulkbusters are there to kill the Hulk as well, at Ross' behest. When Hulk loses his mind and damn near kills Thor with an Adamantium Statue, Dr Strange sends the Hulk off into the mystic realms initially to fight the Mindless Ones forever. Because he realizes it may be impossible to kill the Hulk. Clea realizes Hulk is going to literally destroy the Dark Dimension and sends him off again. Note this is the first time Strange banishes the Hulk, more than two decades before World War Hulk storyline where he gets sent to Sakarr. He was shot. Many, many times, entire new weapons systems were invented to kill him. But hey, why let a little thing like the actual story ruin a perfectly good chance to preach the gospel.
One other thing though. Tatiana Maslany is REALLY damn good as Jen. I mean, Gal Gadot as Wonder Women good or Chris Evans as Steve Rogers good. I am looking forward to the rest of the series.
Yea. getting catcalled is nothing. I mean ..., it's just words, right? It's not as if walking away isn't going send his fragile male ego into fits of Hulk worthy rage just because she didn't immediately rip off her clothes and offer herself as a sacrifice to his immediate needs to fuck some one right now. But, you're right. Men have it so much more difficult than women. We really should just let you fuck us six ways to sunday because you god damn deserve it.
And yet they also aren't wrong that Hulk gets forgiven for that shit OFTEN. Hell, he nearly broke the planet in two over revenge for something that hadn't actually been the fault of the folk he was targeting, and everyone was bending over themselves to show understanding once the situation became clear. Hawkeye shot him in the head because he might have been about to go green (at Bruce's OWN ORDER) and he got vilified. Cops shoot black folk almost every day because they feel threatened by the sheer power and muscularity of the fearsome African rage genes. And a good percentage of America cheers them on. Bruce loses his shit and yes, they'll attack him, but once he comes in, it's all hunky-dory unless Gyrich is involved. Whereas a PoC loses their shit at getting profiled by the cops just ONCE and they can be shot 15 times and the media will be looking through their social media to find a single incident they can use to sell the "no angel!" line. Thankfully less these days, but it still happens.
Nnnooo...I just read that run actually. There are dimensions that can kill the Hulk, but Strange doesn't use them, cuz he pities Banner. In fact, when he sends Hulk to the crossroads, he puts an enchantment on him so if he finds a world that can kill him, he can wish back to the crossroads, and try again. Forever if need be. Only the stupidity of Alpha Flight brought him back.
Maybe some input from someone who's been on both sides of the discussion What I learned about street harassment after I transitioned | Life and style | The Guardian Perhaps the most infuriating aspect of all this was that, even though the aforementioned incidents clearly violated widely accepted social rules, my harassers expected me to simply accommodate these intrusions, preferably with a smile. If, however, I were to protest or challenge, or even ignore, these intrusions, my harassers would usually act as though I was the one who was acting “out of order”. For instance, if I pretended not to hear their remarks, they would often call me “rude” “cold” or a “snob”. Or if I became angry, they would complain that I was “overreacting”. When I first experienced these sorts of responses, I honestly thought they were also a part of the ruse. Surely these men knew they were misbehaving, and they were feigning offense to further mess with me. But after numerous confrontations, and sometimes even discussions – yes, I am that nerd who occasionally performed impromptu ethnomethodological analyses on my street harassers – I came to the conclusion that they generally did not view their own behavior as out of order in any way, and they sincerely did believe that I was the “bad actor” in the situation. Here’s how I have come to make sense of this reversal of standard social rules: my harassers acted as though I had invited their attention, when in fact I had done nothing of the sort. Much more in depth at the link.
Sorry, but that’s almost as condescending as the man’s perspective - I was just being friendly. I really do appreciate what you have been through and broken through and have been brave enough to carry on. And the article is a good one. But, your opening statement is condescending as fuck! “A perspective from someone on both sides”? Seriously? Cuz a woman’s statement on the matter is just not enough. We still need to have a man’s perspective even if that man is now a woman.
I think I have to take a bit of issue with this statement. Many if not most men's concerns as individuals are dismissed and derided as over reactions or acting entitled no matter how valid. My current workplace is predominantly women in positions of authority, as have been a couple others over the decades. In my experience the gender bias operates in a similar fashion from micro aggressions on the floor to the glass ceiling. Any act of self advocacy is perceived through being a "privileged (white) man"-perhaps ironically, by university educated white women.
