Keltec May Have Invented the Perfect Defensive Weapon

What shotguns? I haven't priced any in a while, but last I checked that's almost twice the price of a Mossberg 500, and like $200 more than a Remington 870.

I find that price point ($614) relatively attractive. Yes, there are some fine pumps out there for less (Shoes names two of 'em), but how many have the greatly reduced length of a bullpup? Or the firepower of 14 rounds?

If this thing is solid and reliable, I think it's a pretty good deal.

Exactly. Comparatively speaking, $614 is a deal.

I've never shot one, but I've always been interested in what Saiga has to offer. It's basically a Kalashnikov reciever, so you know it's reliable, and there are after market outfits that can trick them out pretty uber tacticool.... I believe Tromix was one. The off the shelf Saigas are cheap, but I don't know how much it would cost to pimp it.

$614 for that kind of capacity and mobility with a shotgun is a damn good deal*


*as long as the weapon itself is reliable

Was at the gun store getting some pyrodex for a buddy's cannon over the weekend. Saw a used Mossberg 500 for $225. Came real close to walking out with the damned thing.

I have a Saiga 12. Haven't fired it yet, but it seems solid enough. Nice little adjustable gas system. I'm a little leary of magazine-fed shotguns, though; that just seems like a potential for reliability issues. IIRC, Ancalagon has one of these, too.

I would definitely like to have mine warmed-over by Tromix!

My nephew just bought the Mossberg 930 and it seems like a great deal in a semi-auto. The 930SPX (with pistol grip and rail) is an especially good deal, selling for around $600.

There are plenty of shotguns out there well over $600. FNH, Mossberg, Remington. I'm not talking about the fancy ones or the auto-loading ones either. I'm talking about the basic looking shotgun and LE type shotguns.

Sure you can find a lot more that are under the $600 mark but I don't see a huge problem with the Kel-Tec shotgun being $600. As long as it is reliable.

And remember the price I found is just from one store. Who knows what others will go for.

I can only tell you what I've heard, but so far I've only heard good things about the reliability.

Really? Yikes!

True.

I don't dispute it, but evidently prices have gone through the roof. The most expensive shotgun I ever bought was a Remington 11-87P. It was the more expensive model with the Wilson Ghost Ring sights, an extended and oversized bolt handle, and it was already threaded for RemChokes (it came with two). I paid $575 out the door.

I look at some of these shotguns and I'm like: "Why would I pay $900 to $1000 for this shotgun? Just because it is the "LEO" model?"

That Remington 11-87P is going for around $890 to over $1000 in my area. And that's not the MSRP but the actual walk it out the door price.

*looks at my M-2* frontline-yeah and I don't really know anything about keltec, when I was .308 hunting earlier this year I really wanted to check out a Keltec RFB but the gun stores here had a 6 month back order on them

Me want.

Yeah, I've got a perfectly serviceable Mossberg 590 Military--full-size pump with a big magazine and a bayonet lug. And it does pretty much everything I need a home defense shotgun to do. Someone who practices room clearing with a shotgun would get a lot more out of it than I do, but it is good enough. This KelTec would be a lot handier--especially for someone who doesn't work shotgun technique as much. The compact form makes it point a lot faster and makes it a lot harder for someone to jump out of a corner and grab and the semiauto allows you to throw a lot more lead.

But since I'm not planning on a zombie apocalypse any time soon, it really isn't something I need.

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Nobody expects the Zombie Inquisition!

Truth be told, I still prefer my Marine Magnum. But, even more than that, I prefer my Coach Gun. I started out carrying it because the Smith & Wesson I was issued was a rusty old piece of crap. I wish I could still carry it.

I think the reason I keep poo-pooing is because it looks like a fun gun. It looks fun as hell to shoot, but not a self defense gun. Mossberg and Remington make proven defensive shotguns. This looks like a novelty. A $600+ toy. Buy what you want, but I'm still liking my pump gun, and dont plan on trading it for anything that doesn't shoot plasma or grazers or something.

Why don't you think it wouldn't be a good self defense gun?

And what's a grazer?

Hey I found a pic.....

That's an objection? Isn't an AR-15 or a Glock fun, too?

Why? It's very short, so easy to maneuver in tight spaces. It's a pump action, so presumably pretty reliable. It's a 12 Gauge which has the same punch from any working shotgun. It's got 14 rounds of firepower on tap, which should be plenty for any reasonable engagement.

Again, assuming it's reliable, I'm not seeing why this wouldn't be nearly an ideal defense gun.

Could you have justified using the Mossberg or Remington when the first came out? They didn't have a proven track record, after all...

Hmmm. I just don't see it. Yes, it's kinda unusual looking, being a bullpup and all, but there's nothing about it that says "toy" to me.
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They'll be unproven, too.

the one thing that gives me pause is the ejector, straight down and up against the body?

I actually like the straight down eject. Less chance of a spent casing getting caught up. The location of it is necessary in a bullpup design.

Glock = deadly serious

AR-15 = faggotry


























(and don't you AR-15 owners cry foul I'm just messing with ya.... )

Toss on a red dot or a laser and you've got one hell of a home invasion stopper.

It's a pump action?

I assumed it was a semi-auto.

Uh...No.

No. No. No way.

I'll stick with my Mossberg.

Why?

So no response yet from the two year old on why, "No. No. No way"?

If they could make a reliable semi-auto in the same-sized package with an automatic changeover between magazine tubes...THAT would be the ultimate home defense weapon.

Who's being emotional?

Oh...forget I asked.

That's what I had assumed it was all this time.