Everyone who has been on here throughout the day and read the posts as they came up, knows this thread is a direct result of Lanz's irritation over Shirogayne's post - therefore, target.
Yeah, if a non-white person calls me cracker or something it's easy to laugh off because there's no power behind it. It's why wypipo is such a toothless term as far as being racist.
It may be toothless, but it's still racist. Imagine about five hundred years from now. White skin has become very uncommon due to many generations of genetic mixing and mobile populations. Will the "N" word be toothless in such an environment? As humanity becomes more homogenous, it's likely that a sort of "mediterranean" appearance will be the norm, with dusky skin, generally black/dark brown hair, and brown or hazel eyes. Would it even be possible to have racism if humanity has assumed a more generic appearance?
People will always find reason to hate other groups of people, but I've always felt that a future where everyone looked more alike would lessen hatreds fueled by superficial appearances. I've done my part.
The problem is, you should have left with all the other morons currently on wordforge's facebook page.
It seems like Lanz is only 2 IQ points above oldfella these days. Was he always like this, and I didn't notice, or did he only recently suffer a concussive blow to the head?
It's only an insult to people who want to say racist things, but can't because they'd get called racist for doing so and, then are angry because someone else "appears" to get away with saying something that doesn't really hurt anyone except the fragile racist who can't say racist things.
And pretty much what I expected from Dickynoo, too. Not willing to debate or engage on the merits, just assuming the "Ho ho ho, look how woke I am" persona. I used to think you were clever. Now you're just predictably tedious.
Aww, that had venom in the bite, I must have really gotten under your skin, snookums. That can only happen if you really love me after all.
Same here. @Lanzman seems to be suffering from a bout of Whataboutism. If he feels "oppressed" by all of humanity (see Post #5), why does he feel obligated to single out one group?
This isn't a silly game. This is starting with the definitions you selected and asking how they apply. Here they are for your convenience again: When a person of color uses slang like "wypipo" or "cracker," are they expressing a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of black people"? Conceivably, but I would generally say no. When they do that are they participating in "systemic oppression" of white people to the advantage of people of color? I would say no, because systemic oppression of white people does not exist in the Western world. When they do that, are they participating in "a political or social system founded on racism and designed to execute its principles"? Again, I would say no. Whereas, when a white person uses the N-word, it could reflect a combination of 2a or 2b. Different people will react differently to use of race-related words. There was some thread recently in which a poster dropped the N-word.I asked him to not do it in the future. Don't remember if he apologized or not, or if he deleted or modified it. It doesn't matter too much to me. I'll keep on trying to live my best life and hopefully succeed more often than not. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he was trying to be funny rather than supremacist and now that it has (hopefully) dawned that it was awkward at best, he won't do it again. TLDR: just because something is race-related and hurtful does not necessarily make it racist. Racism is prejudice plus power as per the definition you yourself invoked, and thus it would be rare in our culture that a POC does cause the system oppression of whites, even though obviously POC are often prejudiced towards white people and among themselves.
Who you enable with your language is also worth considering. I don't think @Shirogayne has ever expressed any sentiments that would suggest a feeling of superiority among any races. However IIRC she has said in the past that she has extended family who are passionately opposed to interracial relationships. While her words don't hurt me, do they support people with mindsets that want to draw lines between people?
Whatever happened to Mewa and Vandy? Any clue? I suppose someone needs to point out I'm halfway to "unbearable racist" already. And who you calling "square"? I am one hep daddio! Maybe it will be Alpha's turn for another title shot.
Good job, @Raoul the Red Shirt , but these motherfuckers have had privilege, historical context, and power dynamics explained to them so long....shit, that a baby born at the start would be walking, talking, potty trained, self-dressing, tying their shoes, and doing long division. Either a loud garbage truck full of anvils distracts them every single fucking time, OR they just don't give a shit, and find the current power structure morally right and proper.
Yes. That's kinda the point of all this. You can't express sentiments based in racism without being racist. Even if you yourself don't think that you are.
1. That seems to be the one that most generally applies. When the dominant "race" oppresses others, that's the justification. When the oppressed "race" does the same thing, it's the mirror image: "you're just a dumb >whatever< and are therefore just like all the other dumb >whatevers<." It's lumping people together to disparage and dehumanize them. Racism. Regardless of direction.
"I know you are but what am I?" Someday you'll put the schoolyard mentality behind you Dicky. But today is not that day, it would seem.
Give it five minutes and he'll be back to opposing "sjws" and "political correctness" and "cancel culture" and "censorship" and weak coddled leftists who get upset over words.
Even if technically correct though it might be counter-productive to do so. As an example look at drugs. We all mostly agree that drugs are bad for you. Take that to an extreme and rail about how caffeine is actually just as much of a drug as heroin and you might technically correct. However what you'll be doing is undermining the "drugs are bad" argument, because the instant someone brought up with the messages that drugs are bad and caffeine is a drug has a can of coke they'll go Oh, this isn't so bad, I guess that drugs aren't that bad after all.
