I'm surprised he didn't add on "now excuse me, I'm gonna go fuck my supermodel girlfriend (who'll do absolutely anything nasty you can think of) on the back of my ridiculously expensive jet ski!! ". Then he pretends to leave, but stays logged in. That one's my favorite. It's a conservative troll classic going back to the 90's.
I would pay a great deal of Yankee dollars to see Lanz fuck a supermodel (female preferably) on the back of a jet ski.
I can say all the racist words I want. I choose not to, because doing so betrays low intellect and tribalistic thinking. Kinda thought I was trying to expand the definition and show that racism is always racism and is always bad. But if it's okay when it's pointed in the right direction, let me know which direction that is and I'll show Jenee the extent of my vocabulary.
First of all, there is no perhaps about your bending it. Second, I'm somewhat skeptical that requiring "systemic oppression" would make anything normally considered racist suddenly not racist. Because most things considered racist have to do with 2b, reflective of a political or social system based on racism and designed to execute its principles. Feel free to provide examples and I'll tell you what I think. Third, even assuming for argument's sake you were right, and there were swaths of behavior that are obnoxious but that don't meet the definition of racism that you've selected, why would I care? 1. I don't necessarily have to use the same definition of racism that you do. (Although I am fine with the dictionary definition quoted at the start of the thread as a starting point). 2. I understand how things can be racially insensitive, offensive, ignorant etc. without being racist and can object, educate,etc. to such things just as easily without using the term "racist."
I did plenty ten years ago entertaining Tea Party nonsense I got from this place You say this as though Canada didn't close it's last parochial school 4 years before the 21st century and that we don't have Wordforgers here who weren't directly affected by your nation's policies against First Nation peoples. Not my problem to fix a problem I didn't create.
Now that you're going to have to explain. How can something be racially insensitive without being racist? Is that not the basis for the claim of insensitivity?
Imagine watching black people protest all summer because they think the authorities treat black lives as worthless, watching the authorities respond to peaceful protesters with disproportionate violence, then watching those very same authorities respond to white insurrectionists with casual selfies and extreme restraint, then deciding to start a thread about the term "wypipo" because you apparently care so fucking much about racism.
I spend time on Tumblr where "cishet" is tossed about as an insult by the pale kid club that passes for the queer scene there. I personally take no insult from it because cishets are goddamn awful to queer people. If I see it in the context of someone venting frustration about people refusing to use pronouns (hi, Paladin!) or people upset about parents listening to 3rd hand info from some other cishet instead of listening to their life experience, I go about my day and move on. I got plenty of other things to be mad about.
Let's use Star Trek as an analogy. McCoy says many things to Spock, and Spock says many things to McCoy about being human or being Vulcan. But McCoy does not deem Vulcans as inherently genetically inferior to humans. Nor are Vulcans deemed poliitically or socially inferior to humans within the Federation. Nor does McCoy wish that they were. Same with Spock towards human. So when McCoy calls Spock stuff like a pointy-eared hobgoblin (not necessarily an exact quote, but you get the gist), calls attention to Spock's green blood, or likens his appearance to the devil (or was it Kirk who did that? Or both? I forget), I would say he is not being racist by the dictionary definition. He does not think his round ears or red blood really gives humans some sort of advantage over Spock, nor is there a hierarchy based on race that he is attempting to endorse where humans are on top and Vulcans are on bottom. McCoy accepts them as equals with different approaches to life and even if he prefers the human emotion-filled approach, he does not (at least in my viewing of Trek) think that there is anything wrong with the Vulcan approach such that they should be systematically oppressed, politically or socially. And of course, they are not systematically oppressed. He is, however, being racially insensitive. (This doesn't matter to Spock because he suppresses his emotions, of course.). By contrast, one could make an argument that 22nd Century Vulcans are racist towards humans. As seen in Enterprise, they do generally think humans are inferior, they perpetrate what I take to be myths about them (like they smell), they have systematically left them in an inferior position by refusing to share their technology. So when T'Pol makes comments about humans, that could be more fairly called racist. When Archer makes comments about Vulcans, they generally are not because they do not include companents of believing humans are biologically superior to Vulcans or reflecting or endorsing the systematic oppression of Vulcans by humans (because that does not exist.)
Point of order: Humans do stink from the perspective of some other species with much stronger olfactory senses. The Voth could tell that Paris and Torres were attracted to each other just from the hormones they were releasing. T'Pol had to use a daily numbing agent to manage serving onboard a ship with humans. Sarek totally had a fetish. I wonder if they gave young Michael and Spock something for it, or if they were known as the smelly kids.
All right, I'm gonna ditch the memes and snarky quips for a minute and try to engage with this topic. Because nothing exists in a vacuum, some double standards are less problematic than others. Here's an example: If you're watching a TV show and there's a husband and wife arguing, or the husband has just said something inconsiderate, and the wife slaps his face, you probably aren't going to think all that much about it. Depending on the context, you might cheer for her a little, or you might even laugh. If the husband slaps the wife, you will probably cringe. You will definitely not laugh, nor will there be a laugh track, and if the scene wasn't serious before, it will get that way instantly. This is, I suspect, true of almost every man and woman in western society. Double standard? Yes. Understandable for many reasons having to do with power, physical strength, and social dynamics? Also yes.
I remembered the old nasal numbing agent and realize it's possible that to a Vulcan/Vulcan female, the scent of a human is particularly strong. But I think it's more likely to just be cultural rather than biological.
Most of what I've gathered about my dad's side of the family came from one very angry mom who I deduced was more mad that she got cucked outta a wedding ceremony and may not have had reservations about the union solely because of race. That's more Blue Room material. I will say learning that Shirley Chisholm (the first black woman to run for President in the 1960s) is a 1st cousin to my paternal grandfather gave me some perspective as to why they may have been very vigilant on being pro-black business. My maternal side isn't exempt either. My white grandmother had seven kids of various hues from at least three different men and their benefits from white privilege varied accordingly. Suffice it to say it was easy for my mom to preach racial unity when she had the option to pass and men held her on a pedestal for being light skinned. It's also why I buttted heads with Vandy and Mewa on some issues when I first got here. Personally, I have no issue with any one particular interracial relationship, but the older I get, the more I understand Tevye's reaction to his daughter marrying a Russian catholic in Fiddler on the Roof. A minority being wary of interracial marriage is more often than not coming from a different place than a white person. It's complicated is what I'm saying.
Excellent point, which makes me wonder if that sort of banter has been eliminated from the more recent "flavors" of Trek (by "more recent," I mean anything since JJ Abrams blew up Vulcan for Reasons ; I do not watch AbramsTrek) for the sake of not offending the "woke." Does Keith Urban's McCoy rag on Zachary Quinto's Spock the same way Kelley did with Nimoy? Do any of the other humans in any of the other "flavors" get stupid about species differences... in a franchise that supposedly believes in diversity (despite Roddenberry's homophobia)? Enquiring minds want to know.
1) Generalizing is a lazy shortcut past the inconvenience of evaluating people as individuals. Everyone should expect more of themselves and each other. 2) Jesus fucking christ, woman, we're all suitably impressed that you embraced a different batch of prepackaged opinions.
na... human scent is often built a lot out of our diets. Michael would have be brought up with a Vulcan vegan diet and wouldn't have given off the same scent that Trip and Archer did eating steaks and high sugar content stuff like pecan pie.
@Shirogayne should have just lied and claimed "wypipo" has nothing at all to do with race. Claim it means "why people" or something like that. Judging by his past, Lanzman would have believed it without question. https://wordforge.net/index.php?threads/question-for-your-consideration.117903/
I thought it was a nice little touch that T'Pol thought Trip was stinky in the pilot, and then missed his smell in "...These Are The Voyages". Now, go ahead, and say "Nothing was good in TATV!! ". I won't be like Lanzman, and try to be nasty with "your routine is so tired and played out!! You bore me now!! ". Cuz I'm not a petty fragile little bitch.
I would say it was toned down somewhat, but in part because Quinto Spock is far more emotional than Nimoy Spock, and because Urban McCoy is a far different brand of curmudgeon than Kelley McCoy. Also, JJ Trek was structured differently than TOS. Pretty much every episode of TOS had as a cornerstone Spock and McCoy airing their views on things and Kirk mediating between the two. It has been a while since Inwatched JJ Trek, but generally the way I remember it, there were Kirk-Spock scenes, Kirk-McCoy scenes, but not really many (any?) Kirk-Spock-McCoy scenes like in TOS and like one Spock-McCoy scene. It may be a function of the changing times, or the inability to duplicate the chemistry of the TOS big three, or a byproduct of spending more time on the other four....not sure.
